Ion vs Phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master
No such thing ever happened.

Are you seriously telling us that ALL the evidence you have of Phoenix

either Destroying, Remaking or Creating a Universe is that ONE ambiguous scan of a Universe in her hands?

Please tell us you have something else?

Or are ALL your hopes based on that ONE scan?

From this scan, we are NOW supposed to assume ,

that Phoenix can Destroy, Remake or Create a Universe? hysterical2

And you have the elephant BALLS to dispute the Ion Scans.

What Ion scans? Who's disputing Ion scans? None have been posted, so get it together son, i think you mean Parallax. Someone i take it you know nothing about. 🙂

Its stated to be the universe and she materialized it telekinetically atom by atom. When peering into it she heard words from the 616 timeline and when applyng her power within it it had depicted effects on the 616 timeline.

You have no justification to try and claim it to be anything else.

That is unless you think the Phoenix Force would claim a palm sized amount of matter to be harded to manipulate in training than it might seem to Jean? 🤨

Get the hell outta here 😆

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
come on Phoenix is not even eternity level

That's correct.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What Ion scans? Who's disputing Ion scans? None have been posted, so get it together son, i think you mean Parallax. Someone i take it you know nothing about. 🙂

Its stated to be the universe and she materialized it telekinetically atom by atom. When peering into it she heard words from the 616 timeline and when applyng her power within it it had depicted effects on the 616 timeline.

You have no justification to try and claim it to be anything else.

That is unless you think the Phoenix Force would claim a palm sized amount of matter to be harded to manipulate in training than it might seem to Jean? 🤨

Get the hell outta here 😆

Originally posted by Rewmac
Coz you are telling things never happened...

Nope. You are listening to people say that and assuming they are right despite the fact that some other people are actually agreeing with me. Why are you taking sides without actually looking at the info yourself?

If you read the comic, which i'll gladly send to you to then you would see im not jumbling the order or claiming the wrong person said the wrong thing.

Jugg is saying that because his info is based on a few scans, he to hasnt read the comic.

Originally posted by Juntai
The depictions, the quotes, everything has Hal creating, and NOT IN ONE PLACE does it mention it just being time manipulation. Or controlling of the 'creation event' as you're suggesting. Quit reaching already. The entire comic disagrees with what you're bringing to table. It doesn't describe life just coming into being. No. Hal specifically CREATES IT. Ray describes Hal as having CREATED LIGHT. Hal describes having CREATED the plamsa energy universe. He compared what he was doing to willing his city back from nothingness with pure willpower.

Again, absolutely true,

the scans are clear.

Originally posted by galan7777777
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Phoenix responsible for galactus ever achieving his current power?

Hell NO.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's correct.

Nope. Thats what you'd like everyone to believe is correct 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hell NO.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, absolutely true,

the scans are clear.

Coming from someone who hasnt actually read Zero Hour? 😕

Hilarious 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not only did an avatar save Galens life in the last universe enabling him to become Galactus, but Galen was transformed into Galactus by the energies of the Big Bang, by the Phoenix Force.

Not on panel.

I'll give you ALL THREE accounts that have been depicted ON PANEL.

Galactus's Origin has been depicted THREE times On Panel, NEVER ONCE, was Phoenix mentioned.

If you can find me just ONE comic where this is drawn, I'll agree with you, but since I know your basing this idea on bios or handbooks I know you can't.

Tell me where if anywhere does it mention Phoenix supposedly "enabling Galen to incubate in the Cosmic Egg"....how about even JUST Saving Galactus...

This is the ORIGINAL depiction of Galactus's ORIGIN.

This is the SECOND time they depicted Galactus's Origin On Panel.

And this is the Third:

See anything different, yea me neither.

In ALL THREE instances, Eternity or the sentience of the Universe saved Galactus NOT Phoenix, the biatch isn't even Mentioned.

By the way, Do not be confused by the Third depiction, where the sentience is called "the ENIGMA FORCE"

The Enigma Force is what powers Captain Universe, and Captain Universe is the ESSENCE of the UNIVERSE, if He DIES...EVERYONE DIES.

Look hard...and realize Phoenix is NOT even mentioned during the Galactus history lesson.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not only did an avatar save Galens life in the last universe enabling him to become Galactus, but Galen was transformed into Galactus by the energies of the Big Bang, by the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by galan7777777
i wasnt sure, and ive seen no scans which say she was truly responsible for galactus...

Both of their bios do and if you visit Marvels site theres info on the matter.

1 A phoenix avatar saved the universe from eternal damnation, she saved Galens life allowing him to be able to bond with the cosmic Egg.

If Phoenix hadnt done that Galen would have died and there would be no Galactus.

2 The Phoenix is the power behind the Big Bang. The power that transformed Galen into Galactus.

Originally posted by galan7777777
thats what i thought, i know it dosent pertain to the debate at hand, but i was just curious

Luckily I just put that curiousity to rest.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. You are listening to people say that and assuming they are right despite the fact that some other people are actually agreeing with me. Why are you taking sides without actually looking at the info yourself?

If you read the comic, which i'll gladly send to you to then you would see im not jumbling the order or claiming the wrong person said the wrong thing.

Jugg is saying that because his info is based on a few scans, he to hasnt read the comic.

Phoenix foiling the Dwellers plans, allowing Galen to survive and join with the cosmic egg:

Conveniently you left the Phoenix scans out 😖hifty:

The Six Guardians BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal

Phoenix Force beaten by 6 guardians

Originally posted by Rewmac
nope. I just got all X-Men comics, all Green Lantern I can compare...And Juggs is makin' his own scans and running a respect thread...Maybe I hop over to his house and tell him to read comics...But surely he has.. 😖hifty: I'm looking the info myself. The way you fight for your favourite is respectful, but it is isn't the way like my favourite is Thor so nobody can beat him...

Thats not the way im fighting at all. If Phoenix was put up against someone who was actually on her level and i was saying she cant be beaten then yeah you'd have a point, however Phoenix has held a universe in her hand, has cut away the future and contained a multiversal power and yet these people are putting her up against universal powers who have considerably less impressive feats.

Juggs is taking scans posted by others and reading others interpretations and then acting likehes an authority on the matter.

I will gladly send him the comic so that hes in a better position to debate

All you do is just ignore the Parallax feat and the Phoenix defeat scans and keep bring your scans with a whole diffrent comment

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats not the way im fighting at all. If Phoenix was put up against someone who was actually on her level and i was saying she cant be beaten then yeah you'd have a point, however Phoenix has held a universe in her hand, has cut away the future and contained a multiversal power and yet these people are putting her up against universal powers who have considerably less impressive feats.

Juggs is taking scans posted by others and reading others interpretations and then acting likehes an authority on the matter.

I will gladly send him the comic so that hes in a better position to debate

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats not the way im fighting at all. If Phoenix was put up against someone who was actually on her level and i was saying she cant be beaten then yeah you'd have a point, however Phoenix has held a universe in her hand, has cut away the future and contained a multiversal power and yet these people are putting her up against universal powers who have considerably less impressive feats.

Juggs is taking scans posted by others and reading others interpretations and then acting likehes an authority on the matter.

I will gladly send him the comic so that hes in a better position to debate