Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Scans have been addressed. Instead of pulling a Mr Master and ignoring the points i brought up and reposting the same tired argument, why not address what i said? 😕Please Juggs, give it a go, id love to see what you can come up with. 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I understand that she hasan involvement which is clearly stated, yet what evidence is there to suggest that her role is any greater than that Eternity or even the Celestials ? What evidence is ther to suggest that she is more powerful ?
The evidence that Phoenix is more powerful is from the fact that Eternity himself marks Phoenix out as the Force that births and ends the universe he embodies.
He calls it the resurrection force, the assurance of life from death. He says that Phoenix brings about the death of reality, which itself is a new beginning.
The very process which sees this race surpass the abstracts is powered by Phoenix. It is stated by Death thats its Phoenixes involvement in the tapestry that causes the process, without its involvement the abstracts wouldnt be troubled by evolution.
The Celestials lay down the potential as per Eternitys will and Phoenix activates it.
She drives evolution and is the power that brings about this replacement process. Both the start and end of the cycle, as well as being the driving force for the duration. The abstracts however are merely reflections of reality, embodiments of the concepts within. Whilst their roles can be taken over and reallocated (as talked about in this very series and as witnessed before in Infinity Gautnlet where Thanos did the same thing to Eternity) the Phoenix however is a constant, bringing Big Bang after Big Bang cyclically.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The evidence that Phoenix is more powerful is from the fact that Eternity himself marks Phoenix out as the Force that births and ends the universe he embodies.He calls it the resurrection force, the assurance of life from death. He says that Phoenix brings about the death of reality, which itself is a new beginning.
The very process which sees this race surpass the abstracts is powered by Phoenix. It is stated by Death thats its Phoenixes involvement in the tapestry that causes the process, without its involvement the abstracts wouldnt be troubled by evolution.
The Celestials lay down the potential as per Eternitys will and Phoenix activates it.
She drives evolution and is the power that brings about this replacement process. Both the start and end of the cycle, as well as being the driving force for the duration. The abstracts however are merely reflections of reality, embodiments of the concepts within. Whilst their roles can be taken over and reallocated (as talked about in this very series and as witnessed before in Infinity Gautnlet where Thanos did the same thing to Eternity) the Phoenix however is a constant, bringing Big Bang after Big Bang cyclically.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
What are you talking about it was the Stranger who said all those things not Eternity
and after the last post Eternity said the humans will evolve to Eternity
The only scan where the Stranger was present was the last one.
The first scan is a visualization from Eternity, the second is a discussion between Death and Jean and the rest are Prosh talking to Jean.
Read the comic. ✅
Originally posted by Rewmac
Just finished through Ion comics and respect thread...Phoenix would be owned by Kyle. He is the OA corps in one person. His imagination will give him advatage, his powers are great enough to put down the phoenix...Let's just say an omega level mutant is not enough to take down Kyle.
Phoenix isnt just an omega mutant.
Phoenix has feats beyond anything Kyle has done on panel so i beg to differ.
For a brief period Kyle achieved godhood as Ion, when he absorbed the leftover energy in the sun after Hal Jordan sacrificed his life in the Final Night limited series, energy which had merged and grown with energies released after Oblivion's defeat. With his new powers Kyle could bend time, space, and reality. Kyle could even be in many places at once. Kyle's trans-godlike powers had drawbacks: Ion was one with everything, but Kyle Rayner could no longer sleep or separate himself from the overwhelming responsibilities. Rather than sacrifice his humanity, Kyle abandoned omnipotence, bleeding off the vast power, recharging the Central Power Battery on the planet Oa (the headquarters of the Guardians), and helping to create a new group of Guardians in the process. Before he purged all of the power, though, he modified his ring. Once again limited only by his willpower and imagination, Rayner's ring can still affect yellow, does not have a set time limit on its power, and is keyed directly to him. Kyle modified the ring so that it would always return to him, and so that it would always have a lifeline of power available (although the ring still required charging to get up to full power).
Originally posted by Rewmac
For a brief period Kyle achieved godhood as Ion, when he absorbed the leftover energy in the sun after Hal Jordan sacrificed his life in the Final Night limited series, energy which had merged and grown with energies released after Oblivion's defeat. With his new powers Kyle could bend time, space, and reality. Kyle could even be in many places at once. Kyle's trans-godlike powers had drawbacks: Ion was one with everything, but Kyle Rayner could no longer sleep or separate himself from the overwhelming responsibilities. Rather than sacrifice his humanity, Kyle abandoned omnipotence, bleeding off the vast power, recharging the Central Power Battery on the planet Oa (the headquarters of the Guardians), and helping to create a new group of Guardians in the process. Before he purged all of the power, though, he modified his ring. Once again limited only by his willpower and imagination, Rayner's ring can still affect yellow, does not have a set time limit on its power, and is keyed directly to him. Kyle modified the ring so that it would always return to him, and so that it would always have a lifeline of power available (although the ring still required charging to get up to full power).
And yet those powers were still only universal. The power of the Oa battery is nothing compared to the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force is like Marvels equivalent of the Source, the life force of reality.
How does the Oa battery compare to the Source? 👇
Originally posted by Rewmacthats an excellent definition straight from wikipedia 😆
For a brief period Kyle achieved godhood as Ion, when he absorbed the leftover energy in the sun after Hal Jordan sacrificed his life in the Final Night limited series, energy which had merged and grown with energies released after Oblivion's defeat. With his new powers Kyle could bend time, space, and reality. Kyle could even be in many places at once. Kyle's trans-godlike powers had drawbacks: Ion was one with everything, but Kyle Rayner could no longer sleep or separate himself from the overwhelming responsibilities. Rather than sacrifice his humanity, Kyle abandoned omnipotence, bleeding off the vast power, recharging the Central Power Battery on the planet Oa (the headquarters of the Guardians), and helping to create a new group of Guardians in the process. Before he purged all of the power, though, he modified his ring. Once again limited only by his willpower and imagination, Rayner's ring can still affect yellow, does not have a set time limit on its power, and is keyed directly to him. Kyle modified the ring so that it would always return to him, and so that it would always have a lifeline of power available (although the ring still required charging to get up to full power).
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So this is What eternity looks like???
Who posted that scan? I never. That scan comes before the last scan i posted, as i said the only scan of mine where the Stranger is present.
Dont try and play smart when you haven't even read the comic.
Youre making it quite evident that your opinion on all of this is based JUST on what you've been able to grasp from a handful of scans and other peoples interpretations of them.
Take some initiative and so some reading for yourself. Until you do that youre in no position to scrutinize someones interpretation of any of these scans. Especially when that someone has read the entire series and other titles related to the subject. 👇
Originally posted by Juntai
And yet, the comic still reads as him CREATING, not manipulating, and the panels indeed also depict the same.He CREATES the "plasma energy" globules that will eventually form into planets and star systems. He creates the light. He creates the life. All specified on panel. He pours the universe from his fingertips.
And then had plans for building more of them.
What you're suggesting is complete speculation, as all of the panels show him creating, and there's nothing in the comic to support what you're proposing.
I agree.
