Originally posted by Mr Master
If you wish that to be the case, fine,
but in Marvel comics, Realities are only as large as their age.This is why Uatu's 100 year old reality 311
was a Tiny Universe which he held in his hands.This is why Jean's 150 year old reality 15104
was considered an "orphan" which "lost its Parents"
(blatantly alluding to the fact that it was also a baby ... just like Uatu's)Or if you prefer,
we can look at it like this:Uatu = WC Phoenix.
Actually Uatu > WC Phoenix (Uatu didn't need the WHR ... Jean did) 🙂
..........................................................................................I prefer to just say,
I'm not going to hold all of Phoenix's cards on this cheesy feat,
cause personally I don't consider Uatu > or = to Phoenix,
but whatever you prefer friend.In it's entire 150 years of expansion?
I agree.
I don't know what you're talking about dogs,
on panel pearls are being posted left & right.On Panel > Bios
On Panel + Bios > anything anyone has to say.
What does size matter? Someone already posted a scan from one of the marvel abstracts saying such. It might have been you. Basically the power is the same.
Originally posted by id369
I don’t have to contest anything outside of what happens in “Here Comes Tomorrow”. I am only contesting, those events.
It does not matter what non-existing prefix you slap in front of Universe.
Its “NOT”, 150 year old universe. it’s the future, NOW
That, fits in perfectly with the 1602 arc,
where it's explained Timelines are "Tiny" universes because of their relative age.
You may not enjoy that fact,
but it's the way Marvel has defined their own creation,
and what Marvel says, goes, concerning Marvel Comics.
And again, why are you ingoring this:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Uatu did the same exact thing Phoenix did with the baby Timeline Reality 311,
Uatu held 311 in his hands, Uatu even placed 311 inside himself.This is hilarious folks,
Uatu placed the PAST of 616 (reality 311 - the year 1602) in his chest,
this means according to this argument .... the 616 Universe
(power of the Multiverse - foundation of the Omniverse)
resides withIN Uatu. 😂Try making that stick.
That puts you in a tight spot doesn't it.
If you're claiming that some Timeline connected to 616 represents the Real 616 Universe,
then you have to concede that Uatu the Watcher,
contains the Prime Marvel Universe (616) inside him.
Because Uatu placed, Timeline/Reality 311 (one of 616's Past Timelines)
in his chest in the year 1602.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What does size matter?
Someone already posted a scan from one of the marvel abstracts saying such.
It might have been you.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Basically the power is the same.
So Uatu contains the 616 Universe in his chest, I see.
Time for us to make some drastic changes to the hierarchy. 🙄
Korvac re-creates his Future Timeline for the 72th time:
With a gesture, Korvac alters this 616 Future Timeline 72 times.
Which means Korvac > 616 Reality (contains the power of the Multiverse)
also means Korvac > power of the Multiverse.
But oddly, Korvac tried this back in the REAL 616 Reality, ... it didn't work. 🙂
But who cares, Timelines = whole Universes.
Which is why Uatu contains the Marvel Universe in his chest. crazy
Originally posted by Mr Master
What I posted had nothing to do with this debate.Riiiight.
So Uatu contains the 616 Universe in his chest, I see.
Time for us to make some drastic changes to the hierarchy. 🙄
Now why would anyone dare to make changes to YOUR hierachy? It is yours after all. No one elses.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now why would anyone dare to make changes to YOUR hierachy?
It is yours after all. No one elses.
If Uatu is all of a sudden a being that contains the 616 Universe in his chest, 😂
the hierarchy needs to be changed.
The notion still makes me laugh, ... Uatu ... LOL!
I also have to include a plethora of cats that have mangled, warped and erased,
a host of Past and Future Timelines.
But wait,
how the heck is the 616 Universe still around,
if a Past Timeline (which is supposedly the real 616) is erased?
That should make Kree scientists think for days,
until they realize the paradox is senseless.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually other true debaters have contributed to the new hierarchy in my thread.If Uatu is all of a sudden a being that contains the 616 Universe in his chest, 😂
the hierarchy needs to be changed.
The notion still makes me laugh, ... Uatu ... LOL!I also have to include a plethora of cats that have mangled, warped and erased,
a host of Past and Future Timelines.But wait,
how the heck is the 616 Universe still around,
if a Past Timelines (which is supposedly the real 616) is erased?That should make Kree scientists think for days,
until they realize the paradox is senseless.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I totally dont' care about your hierarchy if you hadn't noticed.
Which is why I wouldn't want to change it. It's yours.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Im just saying that in another argument you and I had, you said that size didn't matter. YOu even posted a link from one of the marvel cosmics. Something like size is only perception or something to that tune.
What Kubik was saying is that your existence in the moment is what you are,
and to perceive beyond is pointless.
So scale is an illusion to one who can not achieve more than what he is.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In the end, The watcher could very well have a universe of power.
Doesn't mean it's as powerful as the 616. Which I never said.
And I agree, Timelines surely aren't anything close to 616 (or whole Universes)
that's been my point for pages now.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are the one who came up with the 616 as a comparison. How? I don't know. Why? To make a point I guess.
but we got cats here who think a Timeline connected to 616,
is also 616 (as in the Timeline)
I know, that's ridiculous, but I been debating this for pages,
and cats are still dancing in circles about it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But next time, make the point about what I"m talking about,
not what you want me to be talking about. MMkk.
Originally posted by Mr MasterUatu did the same exact thing Phoenix did with the baby Timeline Reality 311,
Uatu held 311 in his hands, Uatu even placed 311 inside himself.This is hilarious folks,
Uatu placed the PAST of 616 (reality 311 - the year 1602) in his chest,
this means according to this argument .... the 616 Universe
(power of the Multiverse - foundation of the Omniverse)
resides withIN Uatu. 🤨Try making that stick.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat puts you in a tight spot doesn't it.
If you're claiming that some Timeline connected to 616 represents the Real 616 Universe,
then you have to concede that Uatu the Watcher,
contains the Prime Marvel Universe (616) inside him.Because Uatu placed, Timeline/Reality 311 (one of 616's Past Timelines)
in his chest in the year 1602.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Uatu is all of a sudden a being that contains the 616 Universe in his chest, 😂
the hierarchy needs to be changed.
The notion still makes me laugh, ... Uatu ... LOL!I also have to include a plethora of cats that have mangled, warped and erased,
a host of Past and Future Timelines.But wait,
how the heck is the 616 Universe still around,
if a Past Timeline (which is supposedly the real 616) is erased?dontgetit
That should make Kree scientists think for days,
until they realize the paradox is senseless.
Interpreting scenes from other comics, does not necessarily justify an explanation for the others. Especially not in this occasion, when you have the comic making a clear explanation of what just happened.
In Here Comes Tomorrow, Phoenix referred to what Jean was holding as an Orphan Universe. And right fully so, its parent happened to be the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If you're claiming that some Timeline connected to 616 represents the Real 616 Universe,
then you have to concede that Uatu the Watcher,
contains the Prime Marvel Universe (616) inside him.
Because Uatu placed, Timeline/Reality 311 (one of 616's Past Timelines)
in his chest in the year 1602.
toodle loo.
I have thought about that. Mr Master (I know you are objective, even if you don't like something, you accept that) proved on panel and on Bio that it says Cosmic Cube, Beyonder, giving the full power of the Phoenix Force. Maybe PF isn't really all that much. Or maybe, it was a really shitty writing.
Anyway, then again, I still can't imagine Cosmic Cube defeating Phoenix Force in a battle or any Celestial defeating it. In PF bios it was mentioned PF destroying an Alternate Universe, and it did easily. Although it was an Alternate Universe, it was mentioned, because that could probably happen also in 616, if Jean wouldn't sacrifice herself.
That was also the issue where Galactus said, he would defeat Phoenix, if the battle would continue (because Jean had limits because of lobotomy). Well, he didn't prove that, then when Phoenix got all her powers back and easily destroyed everything.
And through history, Marvel looked like to stand with PF being beyond Galactus. And I think Galactus is beyond Celestials.
I can't see any Cosmic Cube even standing a chance against Phoenix Force in a battle, if they would go all out, not even close.
But if it wouldn't be like that, I wouldn't be surprised anymore.
And about Uatu and PF, no matter what was done, Uatu himself gave PF beyond him.
The mere fact that, in the 616 verse: Phoenix energy is said to rival Galactus, and Uatu admitting inferiority makes a strong suggestions of PF operating on higher levels then a Cosmic Cube being.
Slap on the fact, that the Phoenix can pluck out an entire universe, from the multiverse and nearly killed for not focusing.
Yeah I say White Phoenix of the crown is above a cosmic cube being.
Originally posted by id369
The mere fact that, in the 616 verse: Phoenix energy is said to rival Galactus, and Uatu admitting inferiority makes a strong suggestions of PF operating on higher levels then a Cosmic Cube being.Slap on the fact, that the Phoenix can pluck out an entire universe, from the multiverse and nearly killed for not focusing.
Yeah I say White Phoenix of the crown is above a cosmic cube being.
I agree. Galactus himself actually said PF has a greater power source than him, literally. Then Shi'ar Empire said Dark Phoenix was a greater threat than Galactus.
Didn't they even compare DP to M'Kraan Crystal? And we know M'Kraan could wipe all universes in existence.
Another comparison was in AU, when Galactus said he would win, while when Phoenix got her full powers back, he was destroyed along with everyone else like nothing, also mentioned in bios.
Didn't even LT said PF power is too great of a threat for the Multiverse, that is why PF listened to LT and leave?
I actually think that White Phoenix of the Crown is easily above Cosmic Cube being, like no comparison.
But I wouldn't be surprised anymore, if in the end wouldn't be like that, but for now, I stand for that.
