Captain America vs The Thing

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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Most everything you've stated in your post is correct but...

Cap had subdued (beaten) Wolverine and was taking him back when they were engaged and then Wolverine cheap shotted Cap and then Wolverine ran away.

Cap has to get in close to attempt to do any damage and even then he can't do any thing serious to Ben... However even a glancing blow by Ben can KO Cap and Cap isn't too fast for Ben to hit BTW. Is Cap faster than Spiderman, Namor, Black Bolt, Silver Surfer...NOT.

Cap goes down 10/10

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I think Cap is one of the all-time greats, but going to toe to toe with Ben is just a no-go for him.

And, I believe, by the rules in this forum, we have to just envision these two doing just that. Going toe to toe.

This does not mean that, in a different situation, Cap would not be able to find a way to win. It just means that if Cap just swings away at Ben, he doesn't have the muscle to do any damage.

And, it also leaves another problem I have noticed when reading the books. Caps shield has been described to be, becauseof its unique combination of metals (vibranium), able to absorb the energy of a powerful blow from foes such as the Hulk, Iron Man, Etc.

The problem is, if it does indeed work that way, when used for defense, it should also work the same way when used as a weapon.

In other words, if the shield absorbs and nullifies much of the power of an incoming attack, it should also weaken any attack it is being used for.

I hope that made sense.

Anyway, if there was some sort of a battlefield description, with objects, potential weapons, heights, etc, that Cap could use in his fight, he would have a chance.
But, I am actually glad to say that Cap would not be able to beat Thing in h2h. It means that they have not ruined Cap as a character yet.
They still have to actually THINK over there at Marvel, in order to depict Cap as a hero that will always find a way to win.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I think Cap is one of the all-time greats, but going to toe to toe with Ben is just a no-go for him.

And, I believe, by the rules in this forum, we have to just envision these two doing just that. Going toe to toe.

This does not mean that, in a different situation, Cap would not be able to find a way to win. It just means that if Cap just swings away at Ben, he doesn't have the muscle to do any damage.

And, it also leaves another problem I have noticed when reading the books. Caps shield has been described to be, becauseof its unique combination of metals (vibranium), able to absorb the energy of a powerful blow from foes such as the Hulk, Iron Man, Etc.

The problem is, if it does indeed work that way, when used for defense, it should also work the same way when used as a weapon.

In other words, if the shield absorbs and nullifies much of the power of an incoming attack, it should also weaken any attack it is being used for.

I hope that made sense.

Anyway, if there was some sort of a battlefield description, with objects, potential weapons, heights, etc, that Cap could use in his fight, he would have a chance.
But, I am actually glad to say that Cap would not be able to beat Thing in h2h. It means that they have not ruined Cap as a character yet.
They still have to actually THINK over there at Marvel, in order to depict Cap as a hero that will always find a way to win.

Thing beats him 9/10. Cap can't use pressure points on Thing, his shield has not beheaded anything as durable then Thing, neither he has any means avoiding thunderclap, the ground splitting under him, or Thing's super-breath attack.
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Originally posted by Jesse7
Pressure points at light speed ftw

or cap throws his shield at mach 7 and cuts thing in half with his vibranium/adamantium razor sharp shield.

omg 😐 ... now captain america got fanboys, you really think cap can cut thing in half with his shield? 😐 , its like saying wolverine can cut thing in half because wolverine and cap share the same strength so the power cap throws his shield = the power wolverine makes pressure with his claws, only the thing is that wolverines claws are much sharper then caps shield so they can cut much better ... so you basically say that wolverine can cut thing in half 😐 , lasers couldn't even harm the thing, punches that destroy mountains didn't hurt him, can caps shield open the ground or destroy mountains? or smash a freakin bus? i see that the whole pressure point think is very popular here, wolverine beat the thing because he used pressure points(only a speculation) and now the street levelers such as cap can use pressure points on ben too?? wtf? you all trying to make ben look like some street leveler with no durability ... he is a rock get over it cap cant create enough pressure to press pressure points on a rock , his shield cant take the thing out it can hurt him maybe if he throws it in weak spots but only for a little it doesn't have what it takes to take him out but one punch full power from think should ko at least cap , so how can you even say that cap takes a victory? do you think that thing is some kind of target that he will stand and wait for cap to throw his almighty shield at him? he will just destroy the ground that caps standing on

if caps shield is so powerful then why when he use it against street levelers it just hurts them but they doesn't get ko? and the thing who is super durable and strong is going to get beat from a shield? i know that most of you want cap to win but he cant its that simple

and again captain america is no gamora she has super human strength he doesnt , and if you think with logic a peek human cant throw a metal shield that hard to do things like that

Well ive been reading this thread and I will add some points.

1. It says that Ultimate Cap has enhanced strength and durability. It seems that enhanced is usually highier than peak human but not always. From what I have seen of his showings he seems to be stronger than 616 Cap, but now......im not sure.

2. Cap loses to Grim but not beacuse he is peak human. He loses because his not prescribed to have enough skill to beat him. Gamora did not always have superhuman stats. Mantis has peak human stats but can knock out Thor.

Mantis

Mantis had extraordinary ability in the martial arts that have been developed and perfected over thousands of years by the Priests of Pama. These fighting methods place particular emphasis on the manipulation of pressure points and nerve endings on the bodies of one's opponents. Thus, by knowing the right areas of the body to strike, Mantis could stun even a being as powerful as Thor even though she herself had no superhuman strength.

thors body is not made out of rock

cap is non of those people you mentioned

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
thors body is not made out of rock

cap is non of those people you mentioned

You missed the point Cap loses, but he does not lose because he is peak human.

actually he does because he doesn't have the strength to hurt ben or even to throw the shield strong enough to harm him

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
actually he does because he doesn't have the strength to hurt ben or even to throw the shield strong enough to harm him

No its becaue he isnt skillful enough. Mantis does not have superhuman strength but she was able to stun Thor because of her training.

again if mantis try that on thing he wouldn't be able to press the pressure points because ben is a freakin rock while thor is human body

theres no way that someone at peek human strength is going to create enough pressure with his arms to press a rock

Has Cap had his wolverinitis vaccination shot? Doesn't seem like it.

Thing will have a hard time laying a hand on Cap. On the other hand, there isn't too much Cap can do to hurt Thing directly; his shield will probably enrage him more than hurt him (Cap's best chance is to lure Ben into something that will take him out, for example, the way Spidey always gets the Torch to crash into a water tank). And when pissed, then Ben starts to fight smarter and may deploy thunderclap or groundshock waves.

Ben: 7/10 ... 6/10 if Cap has an environment he can make use of.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
theres no way that someone at peek human strength is going to create enough pressure with his arms to press a rock

What you fail to understand is that in the MU skills can be the equivalent of super powers. Just because some on eis human does not mean they cant hurt a superhuman. Thor is more durable than Thing but Mantis still stunned him. Mantis is more skillful than Cap.

cap will beat ben 8/10

cap is too fast for that stupid rock and he can hurt him, his shield can hurt his pressure points and he doesnt even need his shield to do it just like black panther did to the thing 😆

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even black panther could punch that bag of crap so cap will beat his ass down

Originally posted by wolvertooth
cap will beat ben 8/10

cap is too fast for that stupid rock and he can hurt him, his shield can hurt his pressure points and he doesnt even need his shield to do it just like black panther did to the thing 😆

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13hr2.jpg
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even black panther could punch that bag of crap so cap will beat his ass down

That in itself is not enough proof. Oldschool scans often contradict present day scans. There are some old school scans of Cap tagging Quicksilver, but he could never do that now.

(Cap's best chance is to lure Ben into something that will take him out, for example, the way Spidey always gets the Torch to crash into a water tank).

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Ben grimm beats the living sh.. out of cap america i mean what the fu.. ben used to be top brawler in marvel and know you guys putting him against punks like Cap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What you fail to understand is that in the MU skills can be the equivalent of super powers. Just because some on eis human does not mean they cant hurt a superhuman. Thor is more durable than Thing but Mantis still stunned him. Mantis is more skillful than Cap.

skills can be equival to super power? i didnt know that with enough skills you can lift a track or a house 😕

even if thor is more durable then the thing... again i will say that thor has a human body which makes his pressure points more easy to press because its skin and flesh while the thing is a rock dont you get it?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
cap will beat ben 8/10

cap is too fast for that stupid rock and he can hurt him, his shield can hurt his pressure points and he doesnt even need his shield to do it just like black panther did to the thing 😆

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13hr2.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48di.jpg

even black panther could punch that bag of crap so cap will beat his ass down

and you are the one that say that wolverine is faster then speed of light 🙄

do you read what you post? it say here that black panther use some kind of potion to make the thing much weaker so he will be able to fight him