Captain America vs The Thing

Originally posted by Mindship
The above suggests my point. Just like with Panther, w/o making major use of his environment to weaken Ben, Cap will very likely lose.

and you think that ben is as dumb as rhino is just going to run blind on captain america? now you trying to make the thing dumb enough for cap to take the win?? damn is captain america becoming another wolverine?

why do you think that the thing is going to run blindly on cap if he can just hurt him from distance? thunderclap, open the ground, hell even fight him and hit him once its all he needs

cap will use his environment? maybe but he is not strong enough to hurt thing with the environment, unless they are in some missile factory and ben is going to run into an atom bomb 😆

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
skills can be equival to super power? i didnt know that with enough skills you can lift a track or a house 😕

Didnt you read what I posted? Mantis does not have superhuman strength but her fighting skills enable her to knock out Thor.

Originally posted by Alfheim
skills can be the equivalent of super powers.

hey you said it

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
hey you said it

Yes I said and im correct.

so you say that any character that is skilled enough shoul take on 100 class character?

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
so you say that any character that is skilled enough shoul take on 100 class character?

Dam guys like Daredevil have had this ability all along and didn't know it, don't you guys reckon we should let the marvel team know that their hierarchy is all wrong?

you know what bugs me about your debates? that you base all you debate on wikipedia, same thing was about crossbones that you know anything about him but you were debating for him and based everything on wikipedia, and now this.... you say mantis can take out thor because its stated that way in wikipedia, can you show me a scan where mantis takes thor out? or tell the issue number? because all you do is just throwing crap from wikipedia its not even a serious debate with you

alfheim is just amazing, he base everything on wikipedia , do you even read comics?

Originally posted by wolvertooth
cap will beat ben 8/10

cap is too fast for that stupid rock and he can hurt him, his shield can hurt his pressure points and he doesnt even need his shield to do it just like black panther did to the thing 😆

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13hr2.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48di.jpg

even black panther could punch that bag of crap so cap will beat his ass down

So, you show Thing being electrocuted and weakened with liquid which makes his strength weaken to Black Panther's level, and that makes it so that Cap would win this battle? 😂

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
you know what bugs me about your debates? that you base all you debate on wikipedia, same thing was about crossbones that you know anything about him but you were debating for him and based everything on wikipedia, and now this.... you say mantis can take out thor because its stated that way in wikipedia, can you show me a scan where mantis takes thor out? or tell the issue number? because all you do is just throwing crap from wikipedia its not even a serious debate with you

Pay attention!!!!!!! With the crossbones debate I was debating using wikipedia but as I told you before I have read about the early appearances he had with Captain America.

If you pay attention Marvel.com says that Mantis can knock out Thor. Do you know why? Mantis knocked out Thor in a comic

So basically Mantis's bio says she can knock out Thor and the comics back it up. This therefore means that if a human being is talented enough they can knock out people in class 100, its just that Cap cant do it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Pay attention!!!!!!! With the crossbones debate I was debating using wikipedia but as I told you before [B]I have read about the early appearances he had with Captain America.

If you pay attention Marvel.com says that Mantis can knock out Thor. Do you know why? Mantis knocked out Thor in a comic

So basically Mantis's bio says she can knock out Thor and the comics back it up. This therefore means that if a human being is talented enough they can knock out people in class 100, its just that Cap cant do it. [/B]

first of all my point was that you debate from wikipedia and not from actual comics and again how do you know she took thor out? it say that she can but it didnt say she did , can you prove she took him out? no you cant because you base everything on wikipedia

and again you say that if a human is skilled enough he can take a class 100 character and even a god like thor 😆 😱 go read some more wikipedia

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all my point was that you debate from wikipedia and not from actual comics

Ok we are going to seriously fall out because you are NOT LISTENING!
I use wikipedia but not all the time! The crossbones debate we had involve me getting information from comics which I have read!. For example I knew Crossbones is good at prep because he set a booby trap for Cap in an issue I have read and I have also read comics with both of them fighting. As for his other appearances I got them from Wiki and Marvel.com

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

and again how do you know she took thor out? it say that she can but it didnt say she did , can you prove she took him out?

Because Marvel.com says this:

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

Plus I have seen her punch Thor in an issue of Marvel Universe in 1986 were it show Thor falling backwards from a punch by Mantis, this was obvoulsy taken from the issue were she knocked out Thor. You may not like Marvel.com but they are not going to lie.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

no you cant because you base everything on wikipedia

I have already addressed this point.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

and again you say that if a human is skilled enough he can take a class 100 character and even a god like thor 😆 😱 go read some more wikipedia

Marvel.com is the official website for Marvel comics if it says that Mantis can and has knocked out Thor you read it an weep. Furthermore does Dr Doom have superhuman intelligence...no, but he can build a Time Travel machine. Dr Strange may practice magic but people actually practice magic in the real world, no they cant fly and teleport but the concept of magic comes from training techniques which exist in the real world. Whenever you have a human being with a talent in the MU the skill level is increased by such that they have superhuman powers.

alright until you learn to back yourself up with actual comics and actual things that happen in comics its really boring to debate with you and pointless

Originally posted by wolvertooth
cap will beat ben 8/10

cap is too fast for that stupid rock and he can hurt him, his shield can hurt his pressure points and he doesnt even need his shield to do it just like black panther did to the thing 😆

http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13hr2.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48di.jpg

even black panther could punch that bag of crap so cap will beat his ass down

Once again your own ignorance and utter lack of knowledge toward characters show how your own argument is as lackluster as everything else you do 🙄

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
alright until you learn to back yourself up with actual comics and actual things that happen in comics its really boring to debate with you and pointless

What are you stupid? The reason why Marvel.com said that Mantis knocked out Thor is.....

because it happened in a comic!!!!!!!

You are also deliberatly just ignoring my points just because you dont like them.

Furthermore the reason why I use wiki so much is because I can give 100S of examples of Cap hurting people people much stronget than himself but people kept on screaming PIS.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What are you stupid? The reason why Marvel.com said that Mantis knocked out Thor is.....

because it happened in a comic!!!!!!!

You are also deliberatly just ignoring my points just because you dont like them.

you should join the wikipedia forum or something and again it stated in wikipedia that she can take out thor not that she did took him out and unless you show proves that she actually took him out its really stupid to debate for you

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
you should join the wikipedia forum or something and again it stated in wikipedia that she can take out thor not that she did took him out and unless you show proves that she actually took him out its really stupid to debate for you

BECAUSE MARVEL.COM SAYS THAT SHE DID YOU ******* IDIOT!!!!!! THE REASON WHY THEY SAY THAT IS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ****** BIO IS TO TELL YOU WHAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF AND WHAT SHE HAS DONE!!!!

Originally posted by Alfheim
BECAUSE MARVEL.COM SAYS THAT SHE DID YOU ******* IDIOT!!!!!! THE REASON WHY THEY SAY THAT IS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ****** BIO IS TO TELL YOU WHAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF AND WHAT SHE HAS DONE!!!!

Calm down mate it's a forum.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Calm down mate it's a forum.

Ok but its annoying when people ignore important points.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok but its annoying when people ignore important points.

Agreed, but just write in a normal size font, you have argued and if he doesn't see the point just simply, ignore him.