Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously Lord Urizen if you put it that way wouldn't TOAA also be imperfect because he created beings like Mephisto and his hellish realm? and Juntai is right if he created Lucifer with the potential to defy him and knew that he did that then he didn't make a mistake.
I never said TOAA was perfect...we don't even know it it's a "He"..why are you generalizing ?
Regardless, Lucifer is an extension of Yahweh....is Lucifer flawed? Yes or No ?
Originally posted by Superherovandal
no Lucifer is an entirely different entity with power from Yahweh not a part of Yahweh. i use "he" because it just makes the whole usage of a pronoun for TOAA simpler. 😉
In the final issue of Lucifer, Lucifer got pissed when Yahweh claimed that Lucifer is an aspect of himself through which he acts, as is Micheal.
Lucifer furiously claimed his individuality, but ultamately, he is a part of Yahweh, and he will never escape that.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, and Duma had Remiel relinquish his rule of Hell, and hand it over to Christopher Rudd....was that also part of Yahweh's plan ?Christopher Rudd argued that Hell itself is the only true sin, a "Sin" that Yahweh himself committed.
There was [b]NO NEED FOR HELL
what part of that don't you get ??? Remiel was an ANTAGONIST, NOT A HERO !Duma and Christopher Rudd, ALONG with ELAINE proposed strongly that HELL WAS UNNECESSARY...yet who created Hell?
Yahweh did my dear....
Even Lucifer was sick of ruling Hell for 10 Billion Years....
I know they have free will, but not everything goes according to Yahweh's plan. He is infinite and eternal, i never argued against that, but he is NOT complete, he is NOT flawless, and he even WELCOMED CHANGE into his being.
In the last issue when he asked Lucifer to trade experiences, so they they may both evolve into two new beings, Yahweh already confirmed HIMSELF that he is incomplete and capable of further change.
I read that already.....
This is how religion works is a non-argument, as religion has nothing to do with this....what part of that don't you f*cking get? The Lucifer series goes against religious and traditional stereotypes of Lucifer and God, and challenges every aspect of it, as well as using the Bible and other religions as the MYTHOLOGY to amplify its entertainment value....
Regardless of Yahweh's quote, Lucifer STILL DENIED, and that went AGAINST Yahweh's desires.
Try to convince me that it 2, was part of Yahweh's plan 🙄
You have no panel proof for that assertion, you and Juntai only have your own religious bias to confirm that, and please...adding your own religious bias into this is getting reallly tiring already....
Okay, and how so ? And please no "Well my God always wins argument" 🙄 [/B]
This is a complete waste of my time to reply to this.. You have no idea what your talking about. And don't bring my religion into this. I haven't said anything about my god this my god that, YOU are the only one talking about other peoples faiths in comics.. About Rudd, yes that also was a part of Yahweh's plan, if you read of all Lucifer you would know that already! Kids these days 😂
Originally posted by kevdude
This is a complete waste of my time to reply to this.. You have no idea what your talking about. And don't bring my religion into this. I haven't said anything about my god this my god that, YOU are the only one talking about other peoples faiths in comics.. About Rudd, yes that also was a part of Yahweh's plan, if you read of all Lucifer you would know that already! Kids these days 😂
1) I only address people's faiths when they bring it into thier argument. Juntai is notorious for such, and I do not recall accusing you of bringing your religious bias into it...however, If I did, then it was because you made a statement such as :
"God is perfect" ...or whatever such statement, and statements such as those are pure religious bias, and in no way applicable to a comic book debate.
2) Rudd was part of Yahweh's plan as was Hell...both are aspects of Yahweh's entirely, two CONTRADICTING aspects. Therefore, Yahweh is flawed.
So Yahweh's plan is continously changing, interesting and cool, but flawed.
Stop trying to argue that he is perfect, because he is not in any way, shape, or form.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
yes an aspect with a separate identity and completely different personality. so he is both an aspect and separate
He is an aspect of Yahweh nonetheless.
Yahweh referred to Lucifer as "an aspect of myself THROUGH WHICH I ACT"
Do you not recall? Lucifer is not entirely separate from Yahweh, in fact THAT WAS THE POINT....Lucifer fought for individuality, he fought to be his own, but no matter what he will always be a part of Yahweh...even JUNTAI confirmed that.