Originally posted by Validus
From what I understand theres only one Layla. Wanda just altered her powerset to what we saw in HOM.
We could debate it, if Dr Strange would have not made it so clear.
Spiderman's X that died, Gwen, came back to life like so many others, her own children were created by her (without conception 😂 ) and she was able to channel her power through them.
It was one of her little boys that broke Hawkeye up into little blocks.
Why would Layla be any different?
She recreated everyone else practically.
Originally posted by long pig
First and for most, you seem to forget that Wanda had years of prep while her PIS power somehow seeped into everything.
What are you talking about it?
She went insane, killed Avengers, that transitioned into the Preludes in Excalibur where her power grew gradually.
HOM #1, she Destroys and Remakes the 616 Reality.
Period.
Originally posted by long pig
Any magic user with prep is a threat to a world and I can guarantee you if Strange had that amount of time, he could have done the exact same thing...but better.
Pure Speculation
Originally posted by long pig
Obviously.
Obviously it doesn't exist.
Originally posted by long pig
That's another PIS moment. Strange needs no Emma, he's her superior in telepathy. Again, bad writing for a bad comic.
Blame everything on the writing, and dismiss the Fact that Wanda was FAR more powerful than Strange.
Originally posted by long pig
Little thing?Please, it's one of the most powerful objects in all the universe. It's power over illusions and minds is infinite.
Gateway, the mutant from Australia...his power was enough to see through her illusions without even trying. Check out the Hulk tie-in.
Gateway>Wanda?
Whatever,
Strange used ALL of his Artifacts as ONE against Warlock, and Warlcok was ONLY using the Power Gem seperately from the rest, and still he would of been ERASED in Two more Panels.
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"
SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!
Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem
Warlock begins to see his Future
This is Strange talking:
"He sees himself Victorious over me, Destroying me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
The Power Gem.
Now if you believe the Power Gem (Alone) is even remotely close to a being that can Re-write the Universe with a whim, were done.
Originally posted by long pig
That's the thing you're not getting. There is NO reason WHY his power didn't work on her. None. Zip. His power has worked on beings 10x her power....oh wait, that wasn't a massive x-over when he faught Dormammu or IB or Shuma or the Infinites or Marvel's Satan or LT. The list goes on.
What your not getting is how powerful Wanda was.
Dormammu?
Wanda extracted him from his own dimension, and sicked him on Strange.
Shuma?
Pocket dimension at best.
Infinites?
When and where?
LT?
😆
Lets put this fantasy to rest:
LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to save the Planet Earth before LT Erased it.
This is the big wow of the issue for Strange, he breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in.
LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway
"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"
Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"
So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else...
Let's not kid ourselves,
Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong
Originally posted by long pig
His power not working on her is pure PIS, why?
PIS, because she's just too Powerful for him.
Is this the only counter?
Originally posted by long pig
Because Strange in top shape would have ended this before it began.
More Speculation.
Originally posted by long pig
ROM#24 I believe.
Please my friend, point out the page for me, where Strange is affecting Universes simultaneously.
Lest I post the entire issue so you can show me.
Originally posted by long pig
Plus, you realize he gets his power from countless other universes of the multiverse, correct?
No, I did not know Strange gets his Power from "countless other universes"
He called on Eternity (one Universe) once, but he did not have his Power.
Originally posted by long pig
Such massive bullshit.
Dr Strange being a match for LT in ANY way, is Bull shit for sure.
NOW, Wanda Re-Creating the 616 Reality nearly Ten times, is NOT.
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
Originally posted by long pig
The universe inside the dimensions. A pocket dimension can be larger than our dimension.
So now you have Strange making Universes bigger than 616 Eternity. 😆
And yet the Power Gem which is FAR FAR below a Universal destroyer Owns him.
Originally posted by long pig
But all in all, Strange with prep would at LEAST stalemate crazy Wanda if it was written correctly. Written correctly mean: Taking into account the character's history of feats and NOT cropping powers to make the comic sale.
Strange has never done anything to resemble the Power of destroying a Universe (616 UNIVERSE that is)
and Remaking it a Second later in any way one wishes.
Originally posted by long pig
I won't lie, she's very powerful, a bit more powerful than he, but no where near as smart or as skilled in using such power.
Don't need much smarts to think the Universe is not there, and it happens.
"Dr Strange your not there"
"Dr Strange?"
"Stephen?"
😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
Whatever,Strange used ALL of his Artifacts as ONE against Warlock, and Warlcok was ONLY using the Power Gem seperately from the rest, and still he would of been ERASED in Two more Panels.
ALL of THEM Together as ONE
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"
SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!
Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem
Warlock begins to see his Future
This is Strange talking:
"He sees himself Victorious over me, Destroying me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
The Power Gem.
Now if you believe the Power Gem (Alone) is even remotely close to a being that can Re-write the Universe with a whim, were done.
Doesnt look like he was just using the power gem......
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly.Strange's Magic has NO effect on Wanda.
Strange had Prep and his enchanted ITEMS during HOM
Originally posted by Mr Masterno he didnt..
Strange had Prep and his enchanted ITEMS during HOM
Originally posted by Mr MasterIt did him little good...
😆 ..... this scan isnt even from the HOM, it is the prelude....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Even when he employed Spells, they would Not work to his designThat's Wanda controlling HIS Power.
Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThis wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.
What your not getting is how powerful Wanda was.Dormammu?
Wanda extracted him from his own dimension, and sicked him on Strange.
Originally posted by Mr Master
One more thing:Wanda made Xavier and Strange more powerful just by them arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)
Also, do you have any proof that The Wanda became anymore powerful from the time of Avengers Dissassembled to the HOM? I dont ever remember reading anything that stated she gained power....
Originally posted by Validus
Because a different writer retconned her history after HOM?
But how does that dismiss what happened in HOM?
One writer retconned the entire HOM series because of Layla Miller?
I say this because to change Layla Miller's history during HOM, is to change the events that took place in HOM, Layla was a huge integral part of the story.
Actually just like Captain America is himself again and Gwen is dead again, and Hulk is normal like so many others,
when Wanda remade Reality for the last time she put everything back in place except for the Mutant's Powers of many, which are no more.
