Originally posted by Wally West
If Strange were an equal of the IG you'd think he would have done a little more against Thanos while he was in possession of it instead of not entering the battle and letting earth's heroes and the cosmics get their ass kicked.
Strange is a joke, next to the IG.
The Dr himself said,
"Compared to the Infinity Gems even being Sorcerer Supreme is like being a School-Crossing Guard"
Originally posted by thedude1948
Doesnt look like he was just using the power gem......
Ok lets start with this.
Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.
So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!
Time Gem:
First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.
"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"
Space Gem:
Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange
"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)
Reality Gem:
Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses
"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"
Mind Gem:
Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind
"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"
The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)
Power Gem:
"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)
"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"
"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---
SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!
Soul Gem:
Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him
"it is the one (Soul Gem) through which I can possibly REACH his inner being"
Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true
This is Strange talking:
"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama
It was ONLY the Power Gem vs ALL of Dr Strange's TALISMANS,
AND
Strange would of been "DESTROYED" had the struggle lasted any longer than what was it? Oh yes, more than Two Panels.
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There are only TWO instances in that issue where Warlock uses his True Power.
Here he completely overwrites Dr Strange's ability, when evoking Oshtur's name (One of the Three Vishanti)
Here Warlock is juggling the Solar System at an incredible speed, without harming anything
He puts the Solar System back into Orbit like nothing
yawn
Let us proceed, I see you have more.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Look at the context of the scan... They were talking about if Strange could help her recover, he said he couldnt, that doesnt mean that his magic has no effect on Wanda..
Yes.
Originally posted by thedude1948
no he didnt..
Yes he did.
Originally posted by thedude1948
this scan isnt even from the HOM, it is the prelude....
HOM PRELUDE
Ever heard of Tie ins/crossovers?
They count too.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.
Wrong.
Dr Strange and Xavier were at Genosha, that was all happening, it began as a cleansing of Xavier's mind before reaching their destination.
Originally posted by thedude1948
This wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.
Explained right above.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Actually just Xavier, it was never stated that Strange was getting more powerful.
Not specifically like in Xavier's case,
But if Wanda gave Genis-Vell the ability to blink the Universe in and out of existence, and tear Time and Space in Two, it stands to reason that everyone's Power was increased.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Also, do you have any proof that The Wanda became anymore powerful from the time of Avengers Dissassembled to the HOM? I dont ever remember reading anything that stated she gained power....
Well you had no proof that Strange could stand up to the Power Gem, let alone the IG, yet you posted a bunch of Scans as though I was wrong.
You'l have your proof, have to crop scans now, just for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t424747.html
everyone that was debateing hom scarlet witch vs strange go here!
Sorry Extramision, this is my last post on the matter.
Ok
I made a mistake when I posted a Reply to this:
Originally posted by thedude1948
Wanda wasnt controlling his power this whole scene was an illusion also... Magneto was manipulating Wanda at the time too.This wasnt even real..... it happened when Strange and Prof. X were going through Prof. X memories, it was an illusion, and this was also from Magneto manipulating Wanda.
Sorry about that Scan, it does not prove that ALL of the events inside Xavier's mind were Real.
A Reality in his mind.
These are the appropriate Scans:
Magneto was manipulating Wanda, to Create a Reality inside Xavier's mind that was connected to the Real World
In this Reality, Magneto wanted Xavier to Kill Him and his Daughter (thus dying in the Real World)
"If Magneto truly wants you to Stop him, he certainly isn't making things easy"
Strange had his "bag of Tricks" with him by the way.
"the ALL-Seeing Eye of Agamotto"
"If this is ALL Inside my head, can that Trinket Work"?
"The EYE and I are Not BOUND by Human...Limitations"
This isn't La La Land, it's a Reality in another plane of existence inside Xavier's mind created by Wanda.
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It's a Reality "designed around (Xavier's) memories and limitations"
Xavier says, "we need to Change the Rules & cut straight to the chase"
Strange replies, "I have a Spell that SHOULD Work wondefully"
Only it doesn't, it can't, it won't, Wanda is in charge.
"This is as Far as I can go"
"Whatever Magneto and his child have Planned, I'm Not to be part of it"
Dormammu says, "I Know Not by WHAT Power you have Brought me to THIS Place"
Why would an illusion be aware of itself?
Actually even the Writer says, "ONLY the Power of the Scarlet Witch could have BROUGHT Dormammu HERE
"Assuming Magneto (by Manipulating Wanda) is DEFINING this Scenario"
"He can't decide whether it's best to Save his Daughter or Sacrifice her"
How can he Kill her in a Reality of "illusions"?
Here Gaby tells him she's existing in the Real World simultaneously
How can an "illusion" rationalize its own existence?
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This is also odd,
Here Xavier is close putting a bullet in Mr Sinister's face, Sinister seems confident at first
But when it seems he might Really Die, he shows Fear and begins to actually SWEAT,
Xavier still thinks it isn't real though.
How can an "illusion" fear for it's Life?
Magneto (by manipulating Wanda) finally allows Xavier to reach him
"However it is Your Manipulating Her, you're done"
This is obviously NO "illusion"
So the question is, what was the point of all this?
"This is Your Solution? Helping Her retreat into a fantasy"
"While I put a Bullet in Her Brain"?
Magneto summoned Xavier to KILL his Daughter Wanda while she slept.
Wanda, the "illusion"
Originally posted by Accel
It'd take up a lot less space if you pasted the scans as just links y'know?
Nah,
Many don't use the links, the pretty thumbnail makes you click, and I want them to click, I want them to see I'm just telling it like it is.
I make mistakes, and I'm also right,
we learn as we go... 😮💨
Originally posted by thedude1948
That whole scene with Xavier was meant to be ambiguous until the end when Strange said "My spell has run its course." The whole thing was because of Strange's spell. It was not clearly an illusion until the end. The last page was the only real part in the whole issue
Dude, read the Scan,
Xavier says, "WERE BACK"
Strange replies, "On Genosha, Yes, my spell has run it's course"
Where were they? 😕
And why would the Writer add, "ONLY the Power of the Scarlet Witch Could bring Dormammu HERE"?
Read my take in the above scans... 😎
