Revan/Malak vs. Sidious/Vader

Revan/Malak prior to Malak's betrayal

Sidious/Vader from ROTS

Setting is the Emperor's Throne Room
The Prize- The Galaxy

Let's see, after Bane's novel and what DS has told us, I would say Revan is maybe a bit better than Sidious. Malak is believed to be slightly weaker than Dooku, who is weaker than Vader. However, I would Malak can stalll Vader long enough for Revan to defeat Sidious. Vader then gets pwned.

as fanbot as it is...Sidous and Vader...theyre better. That and i dont that much about Malak and Revan...i'll admit it. 🙂

From ROTS?

Revan and Malak

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Let's see, after Bane's novel and what DS has told us, I would say Revan is maybe a bit better than Sidious. Malak is believed to be slightly weaker than Dooku, who is weaker than Vader. However, I would Malak can stalll Vader long enough for Revan to defeat Sidious. Vader then gets pwned.

Revan is likely a match for RotS Sidious if the Bane novel is to be taken into consideration. However, Malak himself was able to tool numerous experienced Jedi in combat with the Force alone, not considering his reputation for being a legendary combatant even before he became a dark lord. If you read his profile on the official website, Malak fought on the frontlines in most conflicts and was renowned throughout the Jedi Order before he ever left the safety of his Enclave to fight. RotS Vader can barely contend with Obi-Wan, despite having full rage and the Dark Side behind him.

So unless you think Malak would be hard-pressed to fight Obi-Wan (Doubtful, since Malak was able to withstand a fully-powered Revan and friends not a year after Revan's capture) or that Malak would be easily tooled by someone who pays half-off at the tanning salon because he's limbless, this match goes easily to Revan and Malak.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Revan is likely a match for RotS Sidious if the Bane novel is to be taken into consideration. However, Malak himself was able to tool numerous experienced Jedi in combat with the Force alone, not considering his reputation for being a legendary combatant even before he became a dark lord. If you read his profile on the official website, Malak fought on the frontlines in most conflicts and was renowned throughout the Jedi Order before he ever left the safety of his Enclave to fight. RotS Vader can barely contend with Obi-Wan, despite having full rage and the Dark Side behind him.

So unless you think Malak would be hard-pressed to fight Obi-Wan (Doubtful, since Malak was able to withstand a fully-powered Revan and friends not a year after Revan's capture) or that Malak would be easily tooled by someone who pays half-off at the tanning salon because he's limbless, this match goes easily to Revan and Malak.

Anakin didn't use Force Powers however, the A>B>C factor, doesn't really work, as proven, Dooku>ObiWan, Anakin>Dooku, Obi-Wan>Anakin

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Revan is likely a match for RotS Sidious if the Bane novel is to be taken into consideration. However, Malak himself was able to tool numerous experienced Jedi in combat with the Force alone, not considering his reputation for being a legendary combatant even before he became a dark lord. If you read his profile on the official website, Malak fought on the frontlines in most conflicts and was renowned throughout the Jedi Order before he ever left the safety of his Enclave to fight. RotS Vader can barely contend with Obi-Wan, despite having full rage and the Dark Side behind him.

So unless you think Malak would be hard-pressed to fight Obi-Wan (Doubtful, since Malak was able to withstand a fully-powered Revan and friends not a year after Revan's capture) or that Malak would be easily tooled by someone who pays half-off at the tanning salon because he's limbless, this match goes easily to Revan and Malak.

Well, what do you know, Janus is back!

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Anakin didn't use Force Powers however, the A>B>C factor, doesn't really work, as proven, Dooku>ObiWan, Anakin>Dooku, Obi-Wan>Anakin

1. You cannot substantiate Anakin's Force mastery as being higher than Revan's or Malak's. Indeed, all on-panel evidence points to the two Sith Lords as being clearly superior in Force Talents than Sidious, let alone Anakin.

2. I know the old KMC "A>B>C" jab; it's amazingly cute to see in motion. However, you neglect to address the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi was far from being the best swordsman ever to raise a blade to a Sith, and yet Anakin in his highest point in the entire series, was unable to best him. This is clear evidence that Obi-Wan was above Anakin in overall fighting capability, and that anyone with a levelhead and a good solid style can undo Anakin's blind rage. Revan AND Malak both possess level heads in combat, on top of impressive Force powers and infamous fighting capability. They far outclass Obi-Wan and Dooku, who could be said to be just above Anakin's level in sword mastery.

Well Janus, I must say you were right about Revan being uber even though it was monthes before the Bane book came out. Kudos to you!

Wow, Revan alone... from what we've heard recently he could be second strongest Sith behind DE Sidious, so he alone would stand a chance. But with Malak, Malak is about even with Vader and Revan could definately beat ROTS Sidious, pretty easily.

Revan second strongest? Um, yeah, no. Malak has what going for him exactly? 'Tooled experienced Jedi?' Wow, that may put him on par with Vader-just maybe.

And where is this 'on-panel evidence' of them being superior to Sidious and Vader, I'm very curious. I don't recall them creating planetwide storms. Revan's done what exactly? Oh, right, he got a few quotes from an un-universe source and Bane's PoV.

Not seeing it.

I would think Vader gets tooled by Revan or beat eventually by Malak. Sidious could probably beat Malak in a saber fight but not Revan. I would still go with Revan/Malak.

Not revan? You get this from where? Advent's quite well shown that Anakin would comfortably beat Malak. And with the force, the KOTOR Sith are wiped out

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Not revan? You get this from where? Advent's quite well shown that Anakin would comfortably beat Malak. And with the force, the KOTOR Sith are wiped out

No she didn't. I remember her arguing that there's very little evidence of Malak's superiority. Nothing says Anakin could beat Malak.

Considering her view was quite Anti-Malak there and pro-anakin...

Which is it lightsnake, was her view anti Malak or was her view showing Anakin could beat Malak? I remember it was neither, it was her trying to explain Malak was more of an unknown.

....I think 'Anti-Malak' and 'Pro-anakin' was rather self-explanatory
Either way, even if acknowledge Dooku as Malak's equal, that grants Anakin the edge still.

I made it fairer, Malak is likely less than Anakin, he did nothing impressive, Revan apparently knows things Sidious wouldn't hope of knowing, so I say, go from there, Revan DID know Force Storm, likely better than Sidious'.

Remember the setting is the Emperor's Throne Room

Wouldn't hope of knowing? Give me a break, does noone bother to read Star Wars?
Nope, Palpatine couldn't know things with several holocrons, probably Revan's own Holocron and communions with the Ancient Sith themselves, no...

Revan second strongest? Um, yeah, no.