Revan/Malak vs. Sidious/Vader

I don't see why Malak can't hold off Vader until Revan slays Sidious. In addition, Revan can probably get rid of Vader faster than Sidious does to Malak.

Since Revan will be slaughtered by sidious, your point collapses

"slaughtered"

I doubt it

Considering DE Sidious was ROTJ's Sidious's Spirit in a Younger body, that means he knew all of his stuff in or shortly after ROTS.

Palpatine was stated as TRAINING in all the forms, that's what Niman users do, it never said Mastered. Palpatine uses Juyo with many elements of Ataru.

Oh and by the way, since this is in the Emperor's Throne Room, I find it hard to believe Sidious will use a Force Wormhole(Storm)

Doubt it all you want, can you form a single argument for Revan without conjecutre? revan did not have hands on training with the Ancients like Sidious did.

And Palpatine apparently mastered the forms, anyways...and he grew stronger by DE

Darth Bane learned most of his power from Revan. Where did Revan learn it from. Either he too must have learned it from a higher power like Ragnos or he formed some new Force abilities. If this is DE Sidious, then Sids/Vader wins. If it's ROTS Sidious, Revan wins. Sidious can keep firing lightning but Revan could probably strike back with Lightning or do Force Shield. It doesn't matter really to me, but I feel Revan > Sidious.

Prove up or shut up. He didnt learn it directly from the spirits of the Dark Lords he summoned like Palpatine did, did he? And Palpatine knows a lot more than lightning, stop being stupid. You keep saying 'Revan knows more because he does!'

there is zero proof and I'm tired of conjecture

What has ROTS Sidious shown us:

- Lightning
- Push
- Pull
- Wave
- maybe Choke though he hasn't shown it.

From the Bane novel, what has Revan shown. Revan taught Bane, so we can assume Revan know's all of Banes moves. And Bane was quite impressive. More powerful than Sidious it seemed.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove up or shut up. He didnt learn it directly from the spirits of the Dark Lords he summoned like Palpatine did, did he? And Palpatine knows a lot more than lightning, stop being stupid. You keep saying 'Revan knows more because he does!'

there is zero proof and I'm tired of conjecture

Where the hell does it say Plagueis/Sidious summoned Spirits? You also from nowhere say he Mastered every Lightsaber form, he did not, he was a Master of Juyo, and likely Ataru

Revan created most of the powers, or he learned them from an Ancient, either way

What has Revan shown us? absolutely nothing. We know he knew the thought bomb, which won't help...

And it's confirmed Palpatine's stronger than Bane by TPM, actually, according to the Dark Side sourcebook.

And yeah, Palpatine's learned from the spirits of the Ancients themselves and doesn't know Sith magic, lovely assertion

So, does than mean Bane > Revan. Since Revan could have made those Force moves himself and probably mastered it, Revan is probably greater than Bane. And do you hve a quote that says Sidious > Bane and Sidious learned from the Ancients?

ok lightsnake answer this, true or false, revan is the most overrated person is SW

Revan WAS overrated. After the Bane novel, he has becomes less overrated because he was finally not an unknown, taught Bane (who's quite powerful) everything, and appears to be powerful due to Bane's powers (who learns it from Revan). Revan is not overrated.

Sidious greater than Bane: Dark Side Sourcebooksidious learning from the Ancients: Dark Side Sourcebook, Visionaries-see the spirits around him, The Ultimate Visual Guide confirms he called them up, Empire's End shows them knowing him personally...
and in PoD, it's shown Revan got his stuff from the Ancients

Revan gets slaughtered by Sidious? PSh.. It's very unlikely Sidious slaughters the 3rd or 4th most powerful sith.. But whatever makes you happy.

It'd make sense from the most powerful Sith killing the weaker one, but...