Since when? Yoda can lift the temple of Ilum
Well after PoD blowing up massive temples seems to be in the job description of Revan/Bane... Revan also has force storm going for him (not as good as DE Sids though)
If as Jedi, he gets stronger, then I am pretty sure PoD is retconning some things...
---Now I am really out. later 😛
....I don't see Yoda really taking the time to learn Dark Side techniques...
Remember, the Thought Bomb is a ritual and a suicidal one, so noone in their right mind will be using it in a fight...let alone be able to.
However, would Yoda, in 900 years of fighting the Dark Side, which included encounters with Sith of Bane's order....I don't see those abilities making much a difference to the guy who can muster a defend to anything the DS can muster.
PoD cannot retcon a G-canon source
Originally posted by zephiel7
By tooling Sora we are excluding the fact that Sora Bulq was hit head on with a blast of lightning that he never learned to defend against?
Obviously you need to get the Hubble Space Telescope because the panel before that Dooku slices Sora and his saber, hence "tooling":
He also was beating the shit out of them on the page prior when both Tholme and Sora were attacking. Toying with them would've been a better choice. You stated that Makashi is "utterly useless" against Djem So. This is incorrect. It cannot meet Djem So head on, but useless? Bullshit as proven by the more kinetic (which is the apparent weakness) form of Vaapad.
I'd also like to call into question when you think that Obi-Wan Kenobi was trained to defend against Force lightning?
Are we also ignoring that Bulq has never seen Dooku's style of fighting,
How the hell do you know? Are you Sora Bulq? Hey Sora, when was Dooku stated to be the only practitioner of Makashi? Where's the proof for this assertion? Not that it even matters.
unlike Skywalker who knew Dooku's style, and trained against it,
Where's the proof for this assertion? From what Mace states, Anakin switched to Djem So because of his emotions, and how well it suits him as he is typically the aggressor.
Prove up. Where's it say Anakin tailored his form specifically for Makashi? Better yet, where's the logic in that? He prepared to face Dooku again, except he didn't even know if he would ever combat him again? As well, he's only faced Dooku once. He hardly "knew" Dooku's style, because as far as I know, he doesn't spend years reading on Makashi or even know how to use it to its fullest.
unlike Dooku who had no idea to prepare for whatever form Anakin preferred.
Right. Aside from the fact that Dooku knew Anakin was using Djem So before he even took out Obi-Wan? I mean, didn't he teach Grievous like, almost every form? If he knows "every form", then by all means, he should know how to counter them, or at least, modify his movements to suit the situation. The narration also states he knows near every weakness of Ataru considering he taught it to Qui-Gon, and it's logical to assume he knows some weaknessrd of Djem So at the very least, as he also knew enough that he would capitalize on a "weakness" of Djem So:
"...the weakness of Djem So was its lack of mobility - that slapped Skywalker's boot sharply enough to throw the young Jedi off balance, giving Dooku the opportunity to leap away."
By the pure fact that Dooku is a superb duelist, and what is above - it would indicate that Dooku didn't need years to prepare to face Anakin nor Djem So. So, what are you even trying to get across? (Because *hint* it's not working).
Anakin knew Dooku's technique and prepared Djem So specifically for him.
Prove that assertion. Where does it ever say that Anakin tailored his Djem So to combat Makashi when logically speaking, that makes no sense because:
1.) he wouldn't even know when or if he'd fight Count Dooku again after AOTC.
2.) his form would thus be lacking against other forms.
Overall, even if there's a quote - it makes zero sense.
Against Malak, he is not exactly facing a Makashi user.
What is he facing then? What form does Malak use? Do you even know? Oh? You don't? Okay, so I'm arguing with pure speculation. It's always a wonder to know that you can take a speculated - basically unknown - form and claim that it's "not exactly" Makashi, even more when you said that he doesn't use Makashi, as if it's fact.
(Hint: because it's not.)
If he tries his head on tactics, he is facing an individual of even greater physical strength.
Just because Malak wears a skintight suit doesn't mean he's stronger than Anakin. Even so, it's not the fact that he needs to overcome them with brute strength, it's skill.
Not that I ever care, because this is irrelevant to what I'm arguing. So, if you want to address Darth "z0mg l33tsauce" Malak, make sure you hold the Shift key and press 2, followed by typing someone else's name, because frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn (not to be rude, just saying).
Much of this could've been avoided had you actually posted one quote, as that is all that's really a requirement in a way.
You misunderstand my position...
I was not stating that Anakin < Dooku.
I was stating because Anakin>Dooku does not mean he is > Malak as well.
There are several factors in Anakin's battle against Dooku, when put into context, don't apply to a one on one arena match against Malak.
When I am a little less busy, I will lay out the passage where Anakin (and Kenobi) were battling against Dooku, and show how it does not apply to a one on one battle against Malak.
Originally posted by zephiel7[/b]
You misunderstand my position...I was not stating that Anakin < Dooku.
I was stating [b]because Anakin>Dooku does not mean he is > Malak as well.
And you must misunderstand mine as well. I'm stating that Makashi isn't "utterly useless" against Djem So. Unless, of course, I've misunderstood that, in which case this argument was unnecessary.
There are several factors in Anakin's battle against Dooku, when put into context, don't apply to a one on one arena match against Malak.When I am a little less busy, I will lay out the passage where Anakin (and Kenobi) were battling against Dooku, and show how it does not apply to a one on one battle against Malak. [/B]
You can do that, as long as you are not referring it to me, because I don't care. I was out to prove the statement that Makashi is useless against Djem So isn't true, that is all.
And I apologize if I was overly rude or uncivil in my past post. I'm a born again Buddhist now (not that it has anything to do with being rude).
And you must misunderstand mine as well. I'm stating that Makashi isn't "utterly useless" against Djem So. Unless, of course, I've misunderstood that, in which case this argument was unnecessary.
Ah, when I stated utterly useless it wasn't the complete truth. How do you Americans call it? Ah yes, it was...an embellishment.
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Let's see, after Bane's novel and what DS has told us, I would say Revan is maybe a bit better than Sidious. Malak is believed to be slightly weaker than Dooku, who is weaker than Vader. However, I would Malak can stalll Vader long enough for Revan to defeat Sidious. Vader then gets pwned.
Wrong. Darth Revan is significantly stronger than Sidious.
And Malak and Dooku are tied in the catagory of Force and lightsaber weilding.
I'd say If this is Vader before he gets in the Suit, he manages to beat Malak, but not by too much.
Revan manages to defeat Sidious.
Then its Anakin VS Revan.
Revan wins.
Originally posted by ESB Vader
no, sidious stronger than revan, ROTS DE or what ever sidious is smarter and more deadly
Umm no, Revan was a Genius, everything he did was Planned, Sidious just can make Plans 1000 years in Advance and somehow make them work. Deadly Factor, Revan wins, he knew much more than Sidious in terms of Force, and his Saber skills must be up to Par
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Really now, do prove up...Palpatine had....what, everything Revan did thanks to the holocrons? And access to the spirits og the Ancients themselves?You have something to back this up? Everything Sidious did wasn't planned? There's this movie called Star Wars, now...
Um...Lightsnake, Hate to say....but this is before DE....
Plus Revan would eventually blast Sidious to bits with his Force Storm.
Or just barely beat him in Lightsaber combat.
