What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?

Originally posted by Scoobless
Who?

This guy:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Ozymandias.PNG

No special powers, just "peak human". Caught a bullet at almost point blank.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Who?

Disgrace.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Both those Batgirl scenes show her moving before the gun is fired, not the same thing as seeing the bullet approach her and moving out of its way.

Originally posted by SwindlingSmurph
You haven't read Watchmen..? 😐

Disgrace.

I'm in the middle of it .... plus he spelled it wrong ..... plus I was thinking he might have meant that guy who used to hang about with Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I'm in the middle of it .... plus he spelled it wrong ..... plus I was thinking he might have meant that guy who used to hang about with Apocalypse.

I replaced an "a" with a "u". Not that different.

Also it could have been that guy from the poem by Shelley . . .

I have never read watchman either. I have never read Dr Manhattan creating duplicate of himself to have a threesome.

NEVER

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I have never read watchman either. I have never read Dr Manhattan creating duplicate of himself to have a threesome.

NEVER

😂

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully I can give you loads ot times Logan has deflect, dodged bullets after they were fired.

Logan has meta human reflexes and combat speed. That mixed with his inhuman senses allow for him to see bullets in slow motion. But thanks H1 for being completely ignorant.

Please be kind and show me more than two times where he dodged after the fire and not before. If I am wrong then I apologize.

Thanks!

🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
Please be kind and show me more than two times where he dodged after the fire and not before. If I am wrong then I apologize.

Thanks!

I done this already in this very thread if not mistaken.

but if you really want I pm them to you

To add to the positive argument that Logan can dodge bullets after the fire (Even though by definition it is PIS because of 1 or 2 canon times), it can be said, similar to DD's radar sense, Logan can sense the aim of the gun and see, in slow motion, the pull of the trigger. This gives Logan a head start on what to do. For example, when the trigger is pulled back x distance then Logan can start to move out of the way. Or because of his slow motion sight, he can get a head start on judging the trajectory of a dart before it is fired and start swinging in the exact motion needed to deflect the dart to someone else. This is like baseball. A human doesn't actually track the ball all the way to the bat (Hence the saying, "keep your eye on the ball" isn't possible). He merely judges where he thinks the ball is going to be based off of initial clues. Other arguments against this could only come from non-canon sources.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now I haven't read this entire thread yet so don't crux me.

Now spiderman has different spidersenses. One that warns him that someone has a concealed weapon, one that warns him that someone is about to look at his face when his mask is off, one that warns him when a projectile is about to hit him, etc. Now spidey's projectile spidersense only operates when spiderman is in danger of being [B]harmed by a projectile.
When this type of spidersense is operating, it increases not only his reflexes up to 40 times faster than a normal human, but also gives him early warning and sometimes it even jerks him out of the way without Spidey himself knowing what is going on (It is like a seperate entity pulling him out of the way sometimes). So if a bullet or fast throwing knife from close is headed for Spidey's web shooters (or the clothing of his shoulders) then his spidey sense wouldn't operate at the point where he can dodge the bullet (because he is really in no danger of being harmed).

Also, not every being is the same every day. For example, many days I can easily see and hit a 85-90 mph fastball (I am a baseball player). But some days, that same fastball seems too fast for me (I swing late or not at all). That can be somewhat applied to high and low feats (within a reasonable range though).

With that said, because of his blur-like speed where mere humans can't follow, I believe spider-man can move a good fraction of the speed of a bullet (if not the equal speed). But a good fraction is all that is needed since one would have to move a much shorter distance (from 0 to 6 inches max) than the bullet itself to dodge it. Now taking a handgun bullet traveling at 1000mph max (700mph average though) and dividing by 40 means that spiderman sees handgun bullets at 25mph max (17.5mph average). This is a normal male to male olympian running at a normal human. Hell, my grandmother can dodge him. Adding in a early warning system and super blurish type speed and its very feasible that Spiderman can literally dodge bullets.

Now other guys like DD, Wolverine, Cap, etc. shouldn't be able to dodge bullets (as said a millions times before). I see DD's excuse for dodging and batting bullets is his early warning in his radar sense. He can sense nerve impulses for crying out loud (even behind his head). I see both wolverine's and cap's excuse as PIS. This is because out of countless times of Logan being hit by bullets and out of the countless times of evasive dodging (not actually dodging after the fire) of bullets there is maybe one or two times Logan has arguably dodged a bullet after the fire. Now Cap hasn't been hit as many times as Logan, but similarly, he has mostly dodged them by mere evasive movement. So the rare time he actually performed a feat that symbolizes him dodging a bullet after it has been fired is PIS by definition. [/B]

🙂 Good post!

Originally posted by h1a8
To add to the positive argument that Logan can dodge bullets after the fire (Even though by definition it is PIS because of 1 or 2 canon times), it can be said, similar to DD's radar sense, Logan can sense the aim of the gun and see, in slow motion, the pull of the trigger. This gives Logan a head start on what to do. For example, when the trigger is pulled back x distance then Logan can start to move out of the way. Or because of his slow motion sight, he can get a head start on judging the trajectory of a dart before it is fired and start swinging in the exact motion needed to deflect the dart to someone else. This is like baseball. A human doesn't actually track the ball all the way to the bat (Hence the saying, "keep your eye on the ball" isn't possible). He merely judges where he thinks the ball is going to be based off of initial clues. Other arguments against this could only come from non-canon sources.

Nice, I always like a good analogy.

🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless

There is a great misconception amongst many KMC members over who exactly can and cannot "dodge bullets"

Characters such as DareDevil, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, etc, etc... all have managed to fool people into believing that they can "dodge" bullets... this is simply not possible, while yes, they do avoid being hit on a consistent basis, they are not actually dodging bullets, they are merely avoiding the aim of the person firing at them.

High velocity rifle fire can travel at over 3,000 mph (over mach 4) which is obviously way too fast for any non-speedster to avoid if it's on target when fired.

I've even heard people state that "Wolverine (or whoever) dodges lasers all the time" which is even more ludicrous... once again they are only avoiding the aim of the person/machine behind the weapon.

Spider-Man is another character people claim can "dodge" bullets and that he does it more often than any other character "proving" that he can... once again this is not the case... his spider-sense lets him know when he is about to be fired at and his superhuman speed allows him to easily move from that location before the shooter can even pull the trigger

I know this thread is fairly pointless... but I don't care... the growing number of fanboys on the comic forums who constantly state that "(insert name here) can dodge bullets/lasers" is mind-boggling

The characters who actually can "dodge" a bullet after it has been fired include Superman, the Flash, Quicksilver(classic), Speed Demon, etc... basically people who can move and react at the speeds necessary to avoid a projectile travelling anywhere between mach 0.5 to mach 4.5

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Another moment I just remembered was when Shang Chi dodged a bullet.

The gunman was only a few feet away from him and shot at him while his head was looking in the opposite direction from the gun. You could see Shang Chi look at the bullet coming at him head-on in mid-flight and then proceed to tilt his head to the side to avoid it.

And considering he wasn't even looking in the gunman's direction when the bullet was fired in the first place, you know he didn't start to move out of the way beforehand.

Originally posted by Accel
Another moment I just remembered was when Shang Chi dodged a bullet.

The gunman was only a few feet away from him and shot at him while his head was looking in the opposite direction from the gun. You could see Shang Chi look at the bullet coming at him head-on in mid-flight and then proceed to tilt his head to the side to avoid it.

And considering he wasn't even looking in the gunman's direction when the bullet was fired in the first place, you know he didn't start to move out of the way beforehand.

Good point!
That's the part I hate about comics, the inconsistency.
Otherwise, Shang Chi shouldn't be able to get hit by most foes.

He doesn't, at least not by common thugs any way. It generally takes another high class fighter/speester like Iron Fist or Elektra to be able to keep up with him, but considering the crazy speed feats other top-tier street-levelers generally have, it makes sense

Elektra for instance once casually deflected a bullet coming right at her, using nothing but her arm and without even moving from her spot. She didn't even so much as flinch, except for her arm of course.

given suffeciant distance and advanced notice almost anyone is capable of dodgein a projectial. For someone to truely be faster than a speeding bullet one would have to avoid a point blank shot with no notice

Originally posted by lando005
For someone to truely be faster than a speeding bullet one would have to avoid a point blank shot with no notice

Daredevil's done the same when a man shot him from behind. DD didn't even have his hearing at the time, so he could only rely on his sense of touch to feel the guy shooting at him. He still proceeded to bat the bullet into the gunman's shoulder.

Then of course, there's Batgirl who sidestepped various bullets, even when they were already en route to her head. She'd move out of the way of one flying bullet, into the path of another one, and then move of the way of that bullet, all at point blank range.

heres another thing that i just thought of woth the whole super speed and refelxes thing. People preceving things to be going in slow motion, like wolverine seeing a bullet in slow motion, but oddly enough everything else he or anyone else with such feats is preceved at normal rates of speed. Theses showings are hypocritical by nature. If one was able to preceve a bullet in slow motion then they should precieve EVERY thing in slow motion, from the every day movements of everything around them to slurred speech from others. The only logical reason for this not to be true is if said person can toggle his/her senseory ability on and off.