Here is my spin (quite weak but I feel like posting my thoughts)
No one can really dodge bullets. With the exception of characters with some super power.
However, anyone above of the age of 5 knows that when someone is pointing a gun a you. It is most likely he/she will shoot at you. So you cannot dodge the bullet but you have a slight chance of duck and cover. Case in point:
Criminal A is aiming at Batman. While Criminal B is standing behind Batman.
What will happen first?
Will Batman try to Duck and Cover?
Or
Will Criminal A shoot first?
If Criminal A shoots first, Batman will get hit. However, if Batman moves faster than Criminal A finger on the trigger and duck and cover...there is chance Batman will not get hit by the first shot fired.
Since Criminal B is not facing Criminal A directly. Criminal B will get hit since Batman ducked and cover.
You have to remember that Criminal A will react to Batman's movements. He may not be in the same timing as Batman. He might react a 1/2 second slower.
For the purpose of discussion Duck and Cover does not translate to dodging. In this scenario duck and cover means "acting quicker than the reactions of criminal A."
Now, we replace Criminal A with Jonah Hex. Batman will get shot NO ARGUMENT.
Jonah Hex is a professional gun sling er. He can't missed.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 😛
Originally posted by lando005
heres another thing that i just thought of woth the whole super speed and refelxes thing. People preceving things to be going in slow motion, like wolverine seeing a bullet in slow motion, but oddly enough everything else he or anyone else with such feats is preceved at normal rates of speed. Theses showings are hypocritical by nature. If one was able to preceve a bullet in slow motion then they should precieve EVERY thing in slow motion, from the every day movements of everything around them to slurred speech from others. The only logical reason for this not to be true is if said person can toggle his/her senseory ability on and off.
I think the main problem here is that people are comparing street-levelers with real life people. So-called "peak humans" in comics are easily superhuman by real world standards.
I don't have any problem with a street-leveler actually being able to dodge a bullet if he or she's been shown to do at least somewhat consistently.
Originally posted by Accelactually that's not ture a true "peak human" by real world standards would actually be closer to spiderman's level. Yes i know it sounds weird but that is what research has shown. THere was a documentarty on the national geographic channel that covered this.
I think the main problem here is that people are comparing street-levelers with real life people. So-called "peak humans" in comics are easily superhuman by real world standards.I don't have any problem with a street-leveler actually being able to dodge a bullet if he or she's been shown to do at least somewhat consistently.
Also we can savely say tha a person cah dodge and is faster than a bullet if he/she manages to evade a whole volley of bullets at once without moving out of the way. Kinda like dodge ball with bullets
Originally posted by lando005This may be a revival... but Whaaa? Peak human close to Spider-Man level reflexes? Minimum 15x human reflexes in our world? What was the name of that documentary? 3-4x human under extreme duress I can buy, but 15x?
actually that's not ture a true "peak human" by real world standards would actually be closer to spiderman's level. Yes i know it sounds weird but that is what research has shown. THere was a documentarty on the national geographic channel that covered this.Also we can savely say tha a person cah dodge and is faster than a bullet if he/she manages to evade a whole volley of bullets at once without moving out of the way. Kinda like dodge ball with bullets
edit: Ah, I see where you got it from.
Originally posted by Dreampanther.18 seconds is fast, but still nowhere near 15x reflexes. Thus, real world folks are not close to Spider-Man's level. I'm satisfied.
According to one of the most AWESOME videos National Geographic has ever made, called FIGHT SCIENCE (check it out on Google), a black belt tae kwon do fighter can “react in only 0.18 seconds - nearly twice as fast as the blink of a human eye.†I am not sure that this is fast enough to dodge a bullet – BUT, I believe that quite possibly one of these fighters CAN react before you can pull the trigger, by watching for certain signs – for instance, the knuckle tightening on your trigger-finger as you prepare to shoot, your eyes narrowing, stuff like that…
Please note, I did NOT say these trained fighters can dodge bullets – what I AM arguing, is that if these guys are trained in what signs to look for (like a poker player looking for give-away tell-tale signs in his opponents) s/he CAN react before you even pull the trigger! And kill you – in one blow. This was also proved by National Geographic in Fight Science – a ninja CAN kill you in just one blow!
Re: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
Originally posted by ScooblessThere is a great misconception amongst many KMC members over who exactly can and cannot "dodge bullets"
Characters such as DareDevil, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, etc, etc... all have managed to fool people into believing that they can "dodge" bullets... this is simply not possible, while yes, they do avoid being hit on a consistent basis, they are not actually dodging bullets, they are merely avoiding the aim of the person firing at them.
High velocity rifle fire can travel at over 3,000 mph (over mach 4) which is obviously way too fast for any non-speedster to avoid if it's on target when fired.
I've even heard people state that "Wolverine (or whoever) dodges lasers all the time" which is even more ludicrous... once again they are only avoiding the aim of the person/machine behind the weapon.
Spider-Man is another character people claim can "dodge" bullets and that he does it more often than any other character "proving" that he can... once again this is not the case... his spider-sense lets him know when he is about to be fired at and his superhuman speed allows him to easily move from that location before the shooter can even pull the trigger
I know this thread is fairly pointless... but I don't care... the growing number of fanboys on the comic forums who constantly state that "(insert name here) can dodge bullets/lasers" is mind-boggling
The characters who actually can "dodge" a bullet after it has been fired include Superman, the Flash, Quicksilver(classic), Speed Demon, etc... basically people who can move and react at the speeds necessary to avoid a projectile travelling anywhere between mach 0.5 to mach 4.5
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Finally, a comic that points out the obvious (or what should be obvious anyway)
Elektra is as fast as Street level gets before you hit physically enhanced characters.
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"bump" btw.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Elektra feat put here at superhuman levels.also what out all the time spiderman, wolverine ect have dodge bullets after they were fired? Times they had deflected the bullets ?
Spider-Man has always been said to be far faster than humanly possible and could, just, move himself fast enough to "dodge" after a bullet has been fired that was on target to hit him.
Wolverine occasionaly doesn't get hit due to the fact that he's normally already moving when people fire at him, which adds to the lack of aim orf the trigger man/men, but that vast, vast, majority of the time he gets shot to hell.
Elektra is not superhuman in ragards to her physical abilities.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
his reflexes are still faster then a bullet can move.
That statement doesn't make any sense.
If a rifle can fire a bullet at over 2,000 miles per hour, 1 inch from Spidey's chest and he isn't allowed to move until the bullet is in motion, he's getting hit, no question about it.
If he's a reasonable distance away then he has a few instants to react and could move/twist his body just enough to avoid being hit.
It's definitely not about being "faster" than a bullet, because 95%* of comic characters aren't.
*not a researched statistic
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Originally posted by ScooblessWolverine occasionaly doesn't get hit due to the fact that he's normally already moving when people fire at him, which adds to the lack of aim orf the trigger man/men, but that vast, vast, majority of the time he gets shot to hell.
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You be hard press to find Logan getting shot when he attempting to dodge.
so when wolverine dodges bullets it becuases they have bad aim?