What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?

Started by Alfheim19 pages
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
dodging bullets means jack shit

Yeah it does actually the Punisher may not be as agile as Cap, DD or Spiderman but he will not dodge bullets the same way in which DD does.

How a character dodges bullets can indicate how good there reflexes are

Originally posted by manjaro
then spidey is like aww man this guy is gonna kill what do i do

Er excuse me it doesnt matter how fast Spiderman says Wolverine is, Wolverine never touched him. Furthermore the only time Wolverine gets to touch him is when Spiderman lets him. Spiderman says "I let him tackle me."

Sorry Scoob, but this is comics, bullets arent all that.

If a character its seen fast enough to dodge one, streeth level or not then he did it.

And if he did it more than once, hes on. Hes a bullet dodger.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah it does actually the Punisher may not be as agile as Cap, DD or Spiderman but he will not dodge bullets the same way in which DD does.

[B]How a character dodges bullets can indicate how good there reflexes are[/B]

Do you know what the word context means strawman?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When the opponent character can move at Mach speeds, dodging bullets means jack shit because the opponent character isn't obligated to job on these forums.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you know what the word context means strawman?

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Originally posted by V for Valentine
Well said Mr prussel

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It's actually Mr Russell. The p in my email is for my middle name ✅

Originally posted by steverules
lol don't tell me Will has actually given out his middle and last name on here (I know going off topic I'm just suprised)

Is there a problem, Mr Stephen Murray?

Originally posted by willRules
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It's actually Mr Russell. The p in my email is for my middle name ✅

Is there a problem, Mr Stephen Murray?

Yeah I know 🙄 I was going to edit it but I couldnt be bothered ✅ Woo real names rock 😎

This thread is stupid if a writer writes a story where the characters need to dodge bullets or the artist daws them dodging bullets forget common sense. They have dodged bullets.

- FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
This thread is stupid if a writer writes a story where the characters need to dodge bullets or the artist daws them dodging bullets forget common sense. They have dodged bullets.

- FO!!


Well a writer and artist ALSO decided that Spiderman could beat Firelord, so that doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by Flame On!!
This thread is stupid if a writer writes a story where the characters need to dodge bullets or the artist daws them dodging bullets forget common sense. They have dodged bullets.

It's just comics, yes. But the mark of good storytelling is internal consistency. Again, the story can wreck havoc with real-life physics and biology, but it should be logical unto itself. Neuromuscularly, Batman and Daredevil (eg) are not superhuman but certainly peak human. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that they could anticipate an attacker's aim (especially with that "radar sense"😉. But to intercept/dodge a near-sonic/supersonic projectile already in flight: IMO, that violates internal consistency.

Bullets do job we must remember. They are usually there to make our fav' heroes look cool. I have no problem with them doing so in the book, but putting it on a forum is another matter entirely.

Originally posted by olympian
Sorry Scoob, but this is comics, bullets arent all that.

If a character its seen fast enough to dodge one, streeth level or not then he did it.

And if he did it more than once, hes on. Hes a bullet dodger.

You've missed the point...which was the difference between not getting shot and actually "dodging" a bullet and the fact that a lot of KMC members seem incapable of grasping that difference

Originally posted by Flame On!!
This thread is stupid if a writer writes a story where the characters need to dodge bullets or the artist daws them dodging bullets forget common sense. They have dodged bullets.

- FO!!

See what I mean?

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Excellent thread Scoobles.

Well, for the most part i think alot of us DO believe that street level type characters CAN actually dodge bullets. Its just that everyone that seems to dodge them arent doing so actually. I think we should make a list of the legit bullet dodgers that are street level and/or slightly above.

Comic book physics are comparable to cinematic physics. They are meant to be equal to real life, but when the plot calls for it, credibility is stretched a little. That's a pop culture entertainment thing. When someone like Rambo manages to shoot 1700 people in three minutes without getting hit himself, it doesn't mean he has supernatural speed or reflexes. It's just a matter of artless, cheap and/or lazy writing.

Here is what everyone is forgetting about the concept of dodging projectiles. In order to dodge any projectile, you don't necessarily have to be faster than the moving object. You simply have to be fast enough to move a small distance (i.e. a few inches), faster than the projectile can travel a much great distance (several dozen feet).
Just think back to playing dodge ball where any of us could out maneuver a fastly thrown ball, even though none of us were faster than said ball.

Now imagine that you are at the peak of physical human perfection, have years of combat experience, and have enhannced senses. I don't think it would be impossible to out maneuver bullets in this scenario, especially when a character is in motion and is using their combat knowledge to figure out where the bullets are going to go before they are fired. Sure, I have to admit that if any street levleler was shot at from close range square in the chest and couldn't move until the bullet was fired, then sure the character would definetely get tagged. However, when in motion and at a great enough distance I don't think that the concept of out maneuvering bullets (especially with the experience to tell you where they are going) is completely out of questions in the COMIC world.

Originally posted by Scoobless

There is a great misconception amongst many KMC members over who exactly can and cannot "dodge bullets"

Characters such as DareDevil, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, etc, etc... all have managed to fool people into believing that they can "dodge" bullets... this is simply not possible, while yes, they do avoid being hit on a consistent basis, they are not actually dodging bullets, they are merely avoiding the aim of the person firing at them.

High velocity rifle fire can travel at over 3,000 mph (over mach 4) which is obviously way too fast for any non-speedster to avoid if it's on target when fired.

I've even heard people state that "Wolverine (or whoever) dodges lasers all the time" which is even more ludicrous... once again they are only avoiding the aim of the person/machine behind the weapon.

Spider-Man is another character people claim can "dodge" bullets and that he does it more often than any other character "proving" that he can... once again this is not the case... his spider-sense lets him know when he is about to be fired at and his superhuman speed allows him to easily move from that location before the shooter can even pull the trigger

I know this thread is fairly pointless... but I don't care... the growing number of fanboys on the comic forums who constantly state that "(insert name here) can dodge bullets/lasers" is mind-boggling

The characters who actually can "dodge" a bullet after it has been fired include Superman, the Flash, Quicksilver(classic), Speed Demon, etc... basically people who can move and react at the speeds necessary to avoid a projectile travelling anywhere between mach 0.5 to mach 4.5

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml
http://www.reloadbench.com/gloss/conv.html

i thought that this would be quite obvious to anyone with any sense (although spidey is a bit sketchy), seriously...

Originally posted by Gibbs
Here is what everyone is forgetting about the concept of dodging projectiles. In order to dodge any projectile, you don't necessarily have to be faster than the moving object. You simply have to be fast enough to move a small distance (i.e. a few inches), faster than the projectile can travel a much great distance (several dozen feet).
Just think back to playing dodge ball where any of us could out maneuver a fastly thrown ball, even though none of us were faster than said ball.

Now imagine that you are at the peak of physical human perfection, have years of combat experience, and have enhannced senses. I don't think it would be impossible to out maneuver bullets in this scenario, especially when a character is in motion and is using their combat knowledge to figure out where the bullets are going to go before they are fired. Sure, I have to admit that if any street levleler was shot at from close range square in the chest and couldn't move until the bullet was fired, then sure the character would definetely get tagged. However, when in motion and at a great enough distance I don't think that the concept of out maneuvering bullets (especially with the experience to tell you where they are going) is completely out of questions in the COMIC world.

thats a good point, but i think scoob is referring to dodging bullets after they've been fired, which is the mistake that alot of fanboys seem to make...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well a writer and artist ALSO decided that Spiderman could beat Firelord, so that doesn't mean much.

Now you're getting it 😉

- FO!!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er excuse me it doesnt matter how fast Spiderman says Wolverine is, Wolverine never touched him. Furthermore the only time Wolverine gets to touch him is when Spiderman lets him. Spiderman says "I let him tackle me."

the point was to demonstrate how fast logan was so much so that spidey had to let him get in close so that he could lay a hand on him, or course i dont think he is faster than spiderman is

Originally posted by manjaro
the point was to demonstrate how fast logan was so much so that spidey had to let him get in close so that he could lay a hand on him, or course i dont think he is faster than spiderman is

Bruv, before Spiderman let Wolverine tackle him, Spiderman was punching his face in.

Originally posted by manjaro
the point was to demonstrate how fast logan was.....of course i dont think he is faster than spiderman is