Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies In Congress mentions Jesus Christ. Don't be in denial, deal with it. Just kidding folks put your flame throwers, oozies, grenades, and rocket launchers down and just acquiesce to the facts. [/B]
I beat you to it Feceman.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I beat you to it Feceman.😆
Note again the nonspecific terms "Their God" - not "The God" or simply "God" - indicates personal variation. "Their" "their parents" "their world view" - relevant to a person, not an overreaching single concept.
"Their Creator" - I feel simply works as an object, something above mankind - think the rule of law, think things like that. Doesn't mean a thing.
Laws of Nature and of nature's God - nonspecific still. God refer to any deity really, or none.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies In Congress mentions Jesus Christ. Don't be in denial, deal with it. Just kidding folks put your flame throwers, oozies, grenades, and rocket launchers down and just acquiesce to the facts.
Please do explain which method or rational did you use to come up with:
1) Nature's God = Jesus/Christian view of God
2) Their Creator = Jesus/Christian view of God
Inquiring minds want to know.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Note again the nonspecific terms "Their God" - not "The God" or simply "God" - indicates personal variation. "Their" "their parents" "their world view" - relevant to a person, not an overreaching single concept."Their Creator" - I feel simply works as an object, something above mankind - think the rule of law, think things like that. Doesn't mean a thing.
Laws of Nature and of nature's God - nonspecific still. God refer to any deity really, or none.
Here is another reference by Thomas Jefferson about God, Almighty God. The same God he was referring to in the Declaration of Independence.
Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
"Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishment or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, Who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was His Almighty power to do . . "
--Thomas Jefferson
One thing I would like to point out to you, JIA, is that the founding fathers were simply stating the date when they wrote "year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven". The fact that they reference Jesus just shows that they lived in a Christian society that used Jesus' birth to date things. We do the same thing when we use A.D. - Anno Domini - "Year of the Lord".
The fact that they dated it has no religious significance what so ever.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is another reference by Thomas Jefferson about God, Almighty God. The same God he was referring to in the Declaration of Independence.Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
[B]"Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishment or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, Who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was His Almighty power to do . . "
--Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson, Thomas. Letter to James Madison. 1823 APR 11.The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
JesusIsAlive, you have yet to address what the Founding Fathers have to say:
Adams, James and George Washington. “Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11.” 1796-7.The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Franklin, Benjamin. Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words. 1758.As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion . . . has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity.
Madison, James. Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments. 1785.During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
Paine, Thomas Robert. The Age of Reason. 1795.Whenever we read the obscene stories [of the Bible], the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the Word of God.
Washington, George. The Writings of George Washington. 12 vols. 1834.The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
America, A Christian Nation?
Do you think the United States should uphold christian values? I've heard from multiple people that blab about the United States being founded on Christian values. Do you think this is so?
I may post my opinion later but for now I'd like to remain a neutral party seeing as how I posted this.