The U.S. Constitution Mentions Jesus Christ

Originally posted by spencerspider
my point is we need to go back to what g.washington and all them had to say

To dovetail on what you said I offer the following verses:

Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan.

This nation needs to revert to its Christian roots. The further we get away from God the more catastrophe we experience from murder in schools, natural disasters, 9/11, etc. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

This nation needs to revert to its Christian roots. The further we get away from God the more catastrophe we experience from murder in schools, natural disasters, 9/11, etc. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse.

THIS NATION HAS NO CHRISTIAN ROOTS.

YOU ARE A SICK ****.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To dovetail on what you said I offer the following verses:

[B]Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan.

This nation needs to revert to its Christian roots. The further we get away from God the more catastrophe we experience from murder in schools, natural disasters, 9/11, etc. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse. [/B]

Ignorance is never pretty.

Rarely is it so disturbing, though.

And as I pointed out last night, the US was founded on the ideals of religious freedom, not Christianity. You can post all the bible quotes you want but it will not change reality. Deal with it.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Man you scare the sh*t out of me! I'm serious, your views really do scare the sh*t out of me.

No kidding.

This is why the US is dying.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Signers of the U.S. Constitution

Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.

In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

G. Washington-Presidt. and deputy from Virginia

New Hampshire: John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman

Massachusetts: Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King

Connecticut: Wm: Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman

New York: Alexander Hamilton

New Jersey: Wil: Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona: Dayton

Pennsylvania: B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris

Delaware: Geo: Read, Gunning Bedford jun, John Dickinson, Richard Bassett, Jaco: Broom

Maryland: James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll

Virginia: John Blair--, James Madison Jr.

North Carolina: Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson

South Carolina: J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles Pinckney, Pierce Butler

Georgia: William Few, Abr Baldwin

The U.S. Constitution does not mention Buddha, Allah, or any other god. But the Constitution signers acknowledge the Lord. There was no need to say, "...in the year of our Lord ...." for the Constitution to be binding. [/B]

If you don't mind me saying I think your arguments are running out of steam if you need to resort to things like the way the date is worded in order to claim the significance of Jesus.

You know - a date. It doesn't mean anything. Christianity, in western nations, was ingrained in such things by hundreds of years of Church influence. Before that - you know in Rome they dated by way of Consuls? And Olympiads? And Emperors?

The Jesus came along - born in a year agreed upon. 1000 years later it was a conveniant way of doing things. I am sorry to say it is not nearly as significant as you make out.

This nation needs to revert to its Christian roots. The further we get away from God the more catastrophe we experience from murder in schools, natural disasters, 9/11, etc. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse.

*CoughgarbageCough*

Bad things have happened to Christians, and every other group of people, from the dawn of time. Following you God and your Book does not offer the least bit of protection from radom events or bad things happeing. An Atheist can live a long, sucessful, happy, full life and die with a smile on there lips. Or they can live in the gutter and suffer from terrible disease. The same is true for Christians.

I guess you would say "But they're not doing it right"" - I sugeest you hop on a plane, go over to Africa, and preach to the many thousands of Africans suffering everything under the sun despite the fact they believed the missionaries and are some of the most Christian people out there.

Oh wait - it is all about what happens after death, isn't it? The your arguement is faulty - Christians suffer whether they are Christian or not. To imply the US would have been spared 9/11 if it was hard line Christian is.... absurd.

This nation needs to revert to its Christian roots. The further we get away from God the more catastrophe we experience from murder in schools, natural disasters, 9/11, etc. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse. [/B]

what if i was to point out the direct escelation of violence, terrorism, and chaos to the sharp rise in evangelical wingnuts? also, directly proportionate. maybe its your fault god is pissed.

whatever the case, people like you are the root of hatred, mistrust, and division in our once great country. all you know how to do is exclude and exclude in the name of rightousness and your own personal set of morals. not even catholics, your supposed christian brothers, are safe from your scrutiny. its all a product of brainwashing and your open chanting mouth and closed ears/eyes/mind are a sign of fanatical cult worship.

Originally posted by PVS
what if i was to point out the direct escelation of violence, terrorism, and chaos to the sharp rise in evangelical wingnuts? also, directly proportionate. maybe its your fault god is pissed.

whatever the case, people like you are the root of hatred, mistrust, and division in our once great country. all you know how to do is exclude and exclude in the name of rightousness and your own personal set of morals. not even catholics, your supposed christian brothers, are safe from your scrutiny. its all a product of brainwashing and your open chanting mouth and closed ears/eyes/mind are a sign of fanatical cult worship.

Indeed, and I always wonder whether they believe the odd doublethink that they go one with...

Townsperson: *sob* Farmer McGrady went mad and shot 15 people last monday... the doctors say it was due to an undiagnosed case of schizophrenia. How could this happen?

Preacher: It is because the town has moved away from Gawd! That is what happens when you don't have Gawd! People go mad and kill you! Bad things happen! Return to Gawd! Hate gays and Muslims and...

Townsperson: Ok, we'll become hardline Christians!

6 Months LATER

Townsperson: *Sob* The schoolbus went over a cliff! 50 children are dead! But we are good Christians, how could this happen!

Preacher: Gawd is not responsible for such things, and even for a Christian bad things will happen. We must be strong. The Children are with Gawd now, keep the faith and while bad things and pain will happen Satan will not have the satisfaction of knowing he won! You will be stronger for it!

Townsperson: .... WTF? So if we aren't of God bad things will happen because we aren't of God, but if we are of God bad things will still happen, but we will be stronger for it? Screw this.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Signers of the U.S. Constitution

Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.

In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

G. Washington-Presidt. and deputy from Virginia

New Hampshire: John Langdon, Nicholas Gilman

Massachusetts: Nathaniel Gorham, Rufus King

Connecticut: Wm: Saml. Johnson, Roger Sherman

New York: Alexander Hamilton

New Jersey: Wil: Livingston, David Brearly, Wm. Paterson, Jona: Dayton

Pennsylvania: B. Franklin, Thomas Mifflin, Robt. Morris, Geo. Clymer, Thos. FitzSimons, Jared Ingersoll, James Wilson, Gouv Morris

Delaware: Geo: Read, Gunning Bedford jun, John Dickinson, Richard Bassett, Jaco: Broom

Maryland: James McHenry, Dan of St Thos. Jenifer, Danl Carroll

Virginia: John Blair--, James Madison Jr.

North Carolina: Wm. Blount, Richd. Dobbs Spaight, Hu Williamson

South Carolina: J. Rutledge, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Charles Pinckney, Pierce Butler

Georgia: William Few, Abr Baldwin

The U.S. Constitution does not mention Buddha, Allah, or any other god. But the Constitution signers acknowledge the Lord. There was no need to say, "...in the year of our Lord ...." for the Constitution to be binding. [/B]

Originally posted by Alliance
THIS NATION HAS NO CHRISTIAN ROOTS.

YOU ARE A SICK ****.

Hey, want to look up the word Pilgrim for me?

Hell half of the 13 Colonies were founded by Puritans, Quakers, and Catholics looking for Freedom from Religious dominance.

Utah=Mormons looking for Religious Freedom

I could name more, but it's late

We were founded on Religion, even though I am not Religious, I prefer our leaders to be(and almost everyone), because it gives people that need it, Morals.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Hey, want to look up the word Pilgrim for me?

Hell half of the 13 Colonies were founded by Puritans, Quakers, and Catholics looking for Freedom from Religious dominance.

Utah=Mormons looking for Religious Freedom

I could name more, but it's late

We were founded on Religion, even though I am not Religious, I prefer our leaders to be(and almost everyone), because it gives people that need it, Morals.

Get over yourself. Most of the founding fathers wer athiests, agnostics, deists, or unitarians. NOTHING about the US was founded on religion.

Your personal opinons don't make sense either and if you think religion is the best.only source for morals, well, I think you need to wake up.

Originally posted by Alliance
Get over yourself. Most of the founding fathers wer athiests, agnostics, deists, or unitarians. NOTHING about the US was founded on religion.

Your personal opinons don't make sense either and if you think religion is the best.only source for morals, well, I think you need to wake up.

1.)Most of them were, and the Constitution makes several references to God
2.)The Leaders may not have been, but the People WERE, and then after the first couple Presidents, they all were too
3.)I never said it was the best or only source, as said I am NOT Religious, and that it was good for people that NEED Morals

Morals do not necessarily come from religion.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
1.)Most of them were, and the Constitution makes several references to God
2.)The Leaders may not have been, but the People WERE, and then after the first couple Presidents, they all were too
3.)I never said it was the best or only source, as said I am NOT Religious, and that it was good for people that NEED Morals

Look up Deism and then come back. "God" to the founding fathers did not mean the same thing as "God" does to psychos like JIA.

Originally posted by Lana
Morals do not necessarily come from religion.

Maybe so, but it does teach them(I know plenty of "Religious" folks that are the most troubled, yet I've never done anything "Terrible" in my life) some, and it is helpful if people are, people of Atheism/Nihilism(Nihilism is such a cool word though 🙁 ) that I've known personally, have been assholes

Originally posted by Alliance
People can develop morals through other means.

Look up Deism and then come back. "God" to the founding fathers did not mean the same thing as "God" does to psychos like JIA.

Hell I even said I'm not and yet, I am one of the Most Moraled people I know

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
3 Words for ya- Read my post

Hell I even said I'm not and yet, I am one of the Most Moraled people I know

The point is you imply that religion is the best way to get morals.

Yet, you yorself contradict that opinoin.

And then you make false claims about the nature of the US constitution and the founding principles of this nation.

You're a wreck.

The "most moraled people" 🤨

Originally posted by Alliance
THIS NATION HAS NO CHRISTIAN ROOTS.

YOU ARE A SICK ****.

Originally posted by Alliance
The point is you imply that religion is the best way to get morals.

Yet, you yorself contradict that opinoin.

And then you make false claims about the nature of the US constitution and the founding principles of this nation.

You're a wreck.

Umm no I did not, I never said that

I did not Contradict anything, and if I did, I blame it on my Fatigue

And yes, it was, it was founded on Religious Beliefs

This happens with lack of sleep

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
If you don't mind me saying I think your arguments are running out of steam if you need to resort to things like the way the date is worded in order to claim the significance of Jesus.

You know - a date. It doesn't mean anything. Christianity, in western nations, was ingrained in such things by hundreds of years of Church influence. Before that - you know in Rome they dated by way of Consuls? And Olympiads? And Emperors?

The Jesus came along - born in a year agreed upon. 1000 years later it was a conveniant way of doing things. I am sorry to say it is not nearly as significant as you make out.

My point exactly. If Jesus was so insignificant as you seem to imply then why do we bow our knees to Him, dividing and reckoning history through Jesus Christ? We consider and separate an entire epoch (i.e. era) of human history by this Man Who died on a cross that you seem to discount as just another Person Who was crucified. In your mind He couldn't be that important. So why, then do we use terms that even give Him notice? We say B.C. (i.e. before Christ) and A.D. (i.e. anno domini, Latin for in the year of our Lord). We don't have to use these terms. There were way more prominent, renowned, and great men and women throughout history (based on ungodly, human standards) who's abbreviations we could have used. But instead we use the abbreviation of a Man Named Jesus Christ. Who many people hate, disbelieve, dishonor, spurn, ridicule, hold in derision, disdain, and hold in contempt. Why not say, "B.C. (i.e. before Caesar)?" How about B.C. (i.e. Before Confucius)? Oh, wait I got a great one. How about B.C. (i.e. before Constantine)?" No? How about Before Buddha (B.B.)? No wait a minute, I know: How does B.M. (i.e. before Mohammed). Is Jesus the only Man Who can divide history?