Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are fixated on the sin and I keep trying to get you to focus on [B]your heart. It is your heart that condemns you. You can repent all you want but if your heart belies what you say with your mouth then you will be condemned before God. God will judge your actions (i.e your thoughts, words, and actions) in relation to your heart. [/B]
The idea that the heart condemns a person is taken from the ancient Egyptian religions.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are fixated on the sin and I keep trying to get you to focus on [B]your heart. It is your heart that condemns you. You can repent all you want but if your heart belies what you say with your mouth then you will be condemned before God. God will judge your actions (i.e your thoughts, words, and actions) in relation to your heart. [/B]
So if I believe that killing someone is what God wants me to do, and I sincerely do think he wants me to do it, I'll go to heaven?
Or, what if I am a member of the Westboro Baptist Church? Would I go to heaven even though I condemn all others to death? Remember, I truly believe with my heart that is God wants.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
So if I believe that killing someone is what God wants me to do, and I sincerely do think he wants me to do it, I'll go to heaven?
What is the purpose of your questions? You seem to keep reiterating the same type of question and scenario without taking into account anything that I have already explained. What do you "truly" desire to know?
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I 'truly' desire to know why you believe good deeds do not matter in the terms of salvation.
Good deeds are not a basis for salvation in the strictest sense (they are the fruits that evince one's conversion). Believers should be careful to maintain good works but not in order to be saved, but for God's glory and so that we can grow spiritually and be blessing to other people. We are not saved by our works no matter how commendable. The Bible states this fact.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Good deeds are not a basis for salvation in the strictest sense (they are the fruits that evince one's conversion). Believers should be careful to maintain good works but not in order to be saved, but for God's glory and so that we can grow spiritually and be blessing to other people. We are not saved by our works no matter how commendable. The Bible states this fact.
So again, if I kill in the name of God, but sincerely believe God wants me to do it, I will go to heaven?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I do not believe that you would be saved simply because (in this contex) your heart is not right. You see, part and parcel of confessing Jesus Christ as Lord of your life is repenting of your sins. To repent means to "change your mind" about sinning, to make a 180 degree change as it were from a life of "deliberate" sin, to a life of holiness. God knows your heart. If you are truly sorry for your sins and then confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior (believing that God raised Him from the dead), according to the Bible you will be saved. But the Bible states:[B]Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.So, God knows your heart, and whether we are sincere about obeying Jesus Christ or not. In the scenario that you provided, I do not believe that you would be saved even if you did what the Bible states that we must do to be saved because your heart is not right. A truly, repentent heart doesn't look for loopholes for committing sin. You know what I mean? A heart like the one you describe in this situation is devious and impenitent. [/B]
Okay. By this post, since my heart is pure (Since I believe God told me to do it) I would be saved.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you were sincere. God knows your heart, I do not (in this scenario). I can only judge or speculate your heart's condition based on what you have told me. But when you stand before God your heart (your true intent, motive, and attitude) will be exposed. So, just make an effort to not sin, but if you do repent of it.
Since I'm sincere about my belief, I would be saved.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are fixated on the sin and I keep trying to get you to focus on [B]your heart. It is your heart that condemns you. You can repent all you want but if your heart belies what you say with your mouth then you will be condemned before God. God will judge your actions (i.e your thoughts, words, and actions) in relation to your heart. [/B]
This post kinda gets me messed; so the sin does not matter? So murder and eating too much have the same gravity?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Okay. By this post, since my heart is pure (Since I believe God told me to do it) I would be saved.Since I'm sincere about my belief, I would be saved.
This post kinda gets me messed; so the sin does not matter? So murder and eating too much have the same gravity?
Can you eat or sin without any compunctions whatsoever? Is what you are doing in compliance with Scripture? What does your heart say? These are the things that you must consider in reference to this question.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you eat or sin without any compunctions whatsoever? Is what you are doing in compliance with Scripture? What does your heart say? These are the things that you must consider in reference to this question.
Again. My heart says I'm doing right by killing these people. Will I be saved?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Then can you point the parts where? Because I cannot pick them out.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I do not believe that you would be saved simply because (in this contex) your heart is not right. You see, part and parcel of confessing Jesus Christ as Lord of your life is repenting of your sins. To repent means to "change your mind" about sinning, to make a 180 degree change as it were from a life of "deliberate" sin, to a life of holiness. God knows your heart. If you are truly sorry for your sins and then confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior (believing that God raised Him from the dead), according to the Bible you will be saved. But the Bible states:[B]Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.So, God knows your heart, and whether we are sincere about obeying Jesus Christ or not. In the scenario that you provided, I do not believe that you would be saved even if you did what the Bible states that we must do to be saved because your heart is not right. A truly, repentent heart doesn't look for loopholes for committing sin. You know what I mean? A heart like the one you describe in this situation is devious and impenitent. [/B]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you were sincere. God knows your heart, I do not (in this scenario). I can only judge or speculate your heart's condition based on what you have told me. But when you stand before God your heart (your true intent, motive, and attitude) will be exposed. So, just make an effort to not sin, but if you do repent of it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you were sincere. God is a God of hearts. He "weighs" the heart. If your repent with your lips but are not truly contrite in your heart, you will be condemned. You must bear "fruits" of repentance. In other words, your life must correspond with what you say with your mouth.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are fixated on the sin and I keep trying to get you to focus on [B]your heart. It is your heart that condemns you. You can repent all you want but if your heart belies what you say with your mouth then you will be condemned before God. God will judge your actions (i.e your thoughts, words, and actions) in relation to your heart. [/B]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Good deeds are not a basis for salvation in the strictest sense (they are the fruits that evince one's conversion). Believers should be careful to maintain good works but not in order to be saved, but for God's glory and so that we can grow spiritually and be blessing to other people. We are not saved by our works no matter how commendable. The Bible states this fact.
First, read all of my posts then make a list of what you do not comprehend. Then I will get around to answering your questions.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, no. What I don't comprehend is what supports your belief I would not be save.
Because you have to drink the kool aid to get into heaven. And by that, I mean he believes you have to be just like him (and apparently the dozens of KMC member's he's "reached" with his message) to get past god's personality test and get into heaven.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Sheol/Hades has nothing to do with our works. It is penance and a purification by fire as per the story of Lazarus. Lazarus was in Hades, not the Lake of Fire. There was a difference. However, time spent in Sheol/Hades does not negate the need for grace and salvation through Jesus alone. I'm not saying that the entire Catholic doctrine on Purgatory are scriptural, but the parts I mentioned are.The Deuterocanonical are not he Apocrypha. They are apart of the canon that Jesus himself used, that is the Septuagint. They were apart of the canon until Luther removed them erroneously.
With all due respect Nellinator Lazarus was not in Hades because he was trying to purify himself by penance and fire in order to go to Heaven as is maintained in the dogma of purgatory. (Read your Bible. Lazarus was comforted not tormented by purifying flames).
Before Jesus paid for the world's sin the righteous dead went to the Paradise section of Hades. This was where they resided until Jesus could preach the gospel to them and then lead them to glory (i.e. Heaven). But again, their temporary stay in Hades was not for the purpose of becoming purified through penance and fire (this is unscriptural) it was like a holding area for the righteous.