First of all, you're just ignoring toomuch on Kratos' side. Kratos has shown even in weakened states virtually the same kind of movement and maneuverability in the air as any FFVII character on at least an occasional amount. Flight didn't save any of the characters who had that advantage over Kratos beforehand, mostly since he's the one who brought them right back down ala Thanatos' daughter in a free-fall. I'd like to see how you can explain how being cloaked in Mako makes him nearly unstoppable when, again, a much weaker character than Zeus or Kratos was able to fight and block these attacks too, coatedin mako or not. Kratos took attacks from weapons like the Blade of Olympus which could do a helluvalot more than slice apart building chunks (ie, one slice reduced an entire city of soldiers to bloody piles of armor with one slice), Sephiroth's sword will be lucky to nick an otherwise primed Kratos, not even counting when he's amped under the power from Pandora's Box (in which case he was literally invincible whenever Zeus attacked him). Hell, Kratos was slowed down in time in one of his most vulnerable phases against a character who could teleport, control time, and the lifespan of any area he applied that power to, and Kratos pretty soundly killed him.
And no, neither character between Cloud or Vincent would last against Kratos. Cloud only ever lasted so long against Sephiroth in Advent Children was because Seph was toying with him. The last character who "toyed" with Kratos in the God of War series was Hermes, and he had his legs sliced off almost nonchalantly by Kratos.
i could go into the numerous ways cloud and vincent could kill kratos but i won't. what i'm saying is sephiroths style of fighting is what is a perfect match for kratos. i don't think kratos could survive being sliced into little pieces and stabbed thousands of times all over his body. kratos still has the general anatomy of a human which means sephiroths speed and reach with masamune is enough to easily win with a stab through the brain or in the heart.
Chaos Vincent could kill Kratos, sure, but he's not in this thread
Cloud, unless you give him his hax materia's, no
Anyways, it's beyond obvious you're just ignoring shit and blindly sticking to "guize Sephiroht cen go fasta ten Kratos ad can slash0rz himz"
No Kratos could not survive being slashed to little pieces, fortunately Sephiroth does not possess the capacity to harm him with any physical attack unless you can show Sephiroth's strength feats that put him up to par with Kratos (hint: unless Sephiroth can physically fight Titans or output volcanic eruptions or island vaporisations in terms of energy with his slashes, he can't harm Kratos, at all)
Sephiroth gets in reach, Kratos grabs his sword and shoves it up his urethra since his attacks can be blocked by characters far weaker than Kratos. And again, if he can block the Blade of Olympus wielded by Zeus with his palms, the Masamune would prolly break against it
first off i don't talk like that and when you're arguments involve anal rape they just become invalid. sephiroth defeated an earth weapon with no sweat and sephiroth hasn't shown much survival and endurance feats because he's never been in a situation demanding them. i'd rather focus on his destructive capability and skill. he can send people flying through buildings with one hit and moves his sword fast enough to deflect bullets. and i believe in the novel zack attacked sephiroth with his buster sword and it sort of just hit his shoulder and stopped with no blood.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Chaos Vincent could kill Kratos, sure, but he's not in this threadCloud, unless you give him his hax materia's, no
Anyways, it's beyond obvious you're just ignoring shit and blindly sticking to "guize Sephiroht cen go fasta ten Kratos ad can slash0rz himz"
No Kratos could not survive being slashed to little pieces, fortunately Sephiroth does not possess the capacity to harm him with any physical attack unless you can show Sephiroth's strength feats that put him up to par with Kratos (hint: unless Sephiroth can physically fight Titans or output volcanic eruptions or island vaporisations in terms of energy with his slashes, he can't harm Kratos, at all)
Sephiroth gets in reach, Kratos grabs his sword and shoves it up his urethra since his attacks can be blocked by characters far weaker than Kratos. And again, if he can block the Blade of Olympus wielded by Zeus with his palms, the Masamune would prolly break against it
You do know Sephiroth is more powerful than Chaos Vincent right?
Originally posted by Frikcha
i could go into the numerous ways cloud and vincent could kill kratos but i won't. what i'm saying is sephiroths style of fighting is what is a perfect match for kratos. i don't think kratos could survive being sliced into little pieces and stabbed thousands of times all over his body. kratos still has the general anatomy of a human which means sephiroths speed and reach with masamune is enough to easily win with a stab through the brain or in the heart.
Except for the simple problem that Kratos, by the time of God of War Ghost of Sparta, has shown levels of durability that not only render his death in the first God of War moot, but more than outweigh any possibility of Sephiroth's sword dealing that kind of damage to him. Kratos has been sent flying across entire cities and crashing through buildings on more than one occasion, and you know what happens most consistently? He gets up COMPLETELY UNSCATHED. Even if Sephiroth was capable of contending with him physically, which he's not, your examples and claims have yet to prove how they'd do anymore than marginally annoy a Kratos circa God of War Ghost of Sparta or beyond. And if speed and reach were honestly as critical criteria to a win as you're trying to make it out to be regardless of the aforementioned information which you've yet to prove otherwise, you either don't know or have forgotten that Kratos' DEFAULT WEAPONS have the a reach upwards of several yards and speed visually comparable to helicopter propellers. Deflecting bullets as a testament to speed is fine and dandy, bu it's paltry compared to being able to both dodge and deflect freaking lightning bolts or you know, fight off an enemy while SLOWED DOWN IN TIME.
Sephiroth wills Kratos into the sun \ space.
Sephiroth performs Supernova.
Sephiroth mind rapes Kratos.
Sephiroth uses light speed attacks or movement. (Dissidia - This is canon, it is all explained in the games)
Sephiroth(Jenovas feats apply to Sephiroth seeing as he is 100% JCell) can withstand crashing into a planet while riding an ex-planet.
Sephiroth cannot be harmed by fire.
Kratos can be stabbed without much force behind it same with Zeus (Although somehow Kratos leather gloves can take insane levels of force), I doubt that Kratos could take a full powered swing from Sephiroth. (GoW1 and 2)
lol, you're still a thing?
Show me where Sephiroth has ever done such a thing
Supernova is just a flashy gameplay ability, an illusion
Has never mind****ed someone without Jenova Cells, and even then, Kratos has resisted mind****
Sephiroth is not lightspeed. Been there, done that
I believe the OBD deunked that. Best result is 15 megatons for Jenova's durability
Good thing Kratos has moar then just fire, no?
Kratos has tanked attacks from Zeus. What the **** is the massively physically inferior Sephiroth going to do?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
lol, you're still a thing?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Show me where Sephiroth has ever done such a thing
Holy pushed this out of the center of the earth:
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Supernova is just a flashy gameplay ability, an illusion
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Has never mind****ed someone without Jenova Cells, and even then, Kratos has resisted mind****
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Sephiroth is not lightspeed. Been there, done that
Originally posted by StealthRanger
I believe the OBD deunked that. Best result is 15 megatons for Jenova's durability
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Good thing Kratos has moar then just fire, no?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Kratos has tanked attacks from Zeus. What the **** is the massively physically inferior Sephiroth going to do?
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Nope.
You clearly are, if you're still here
Holding back Holy with his will is a greater feat than lifting a body into space IMO.
Unquantifiable
Holy pushed this out of the center of the earth:
M'kay
It's a canonical attack, play Crisis Core where it's stated to be his most powerful attack. Gameplay is balanced to be winnable remember?
I'm well aware of this chuckles, however it's just a flashy gameplay illusion, since you can't blow up planets and stars 20 times in 5 minutes
If it was legit, it'd be an outlier
He mind raped all of the playable characters in FFVII (Only Cloud had Jenova cells).
Good thing Kratos has resisted mind**** from ****ers like Ares and Persephone then, no?
It is shown in-game cinematic and in-game description or are you implying that Dissidia isn't canon?
Hyperbole. Never shown. Dissidia is non canon
Debunked what? Sephiroth at the end of AC is 100% Jenova cells (Using his lifestream comprised of Jenova cells and the last few pieces of jenova in the box).
Jenova surviving it doesn't mean she survived the whole thing. Surface area and whatnot. Which equated to 15 megatons for Jenova's durability
Yes, but people were saying he could be so I was just clarifying.
M'kay
From what I see Zeus' attacks are hardly as strong as Genesis who craters metal with ease, same with Zach and Cloud (Majority of Zeus' attacks don't even do that!).
>Appealing to flashy collateral damage to determine 'superiority'
It doesn't work that way
Zeus has far better strength feats than the FF7-verse
Originally posted by NemeBro
Dissidia isn't canon to FFVII, lol.
Yes it is, lol.
The characters refer to things occurring in their respective games and Dissidia explains how Chaos and Cosmos are multiverse-reality warping beings.
Not to mention Sephiroth specifically helps end the cycle so that he can return to his universe and kill Cloud.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Unquantifiable
M'kay
If Holy is able to push an airship of that weight from near the center of the planet high into the atmosphere then obviously Sephiroth's will would need to be stronger than that.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
I'm well aware of this chuckles, however it's just a flashy gameplay illusion, since you can't blow up planets and stars 20 times in 5 minutes
Even if it is an illusion it still has the power of an exploding star(As stated by the ultimania). Also please provide proof that it is an illusion.
I am sorry, but Sephiroth never blew up planets and stars 20 times. Gameplay is not how the fight actually occurs and it needs to be balanced. We all know this.
So what if it's an outlier? He has it and can use it.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Good thing Kratos has resisted mind**** from ****ers like Ares and Persephone then, no?
I do not know their feats nor the manner in which they mind-rape, Sephiroth can literally just force people to pass out or create elaborate illusions. Remember to take into account it's Sephiroths will that is able to mind rape them and he mind raped them all while holding back holy, can Kratos take the full power of his will? I am not so sure.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Hyperbole.
Disagree.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Never shown.
Except in Dissidia cut-scenes.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Dissidia is non canon
Dissidia is canon, see above.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Jenova surviving it doesn't mean she survived the whole thing. Surface area and whatnot. Which equated to 15 megatons for Jenova's durability
I don't really know, is there a link to this math somewhere? Either way 15 megatons is more than enough to contend with Kratos.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Yes it is, lol.The characters refer to things occurring in their respective games and Dissidia explains how Chaos and Cosmos are multiverse-reality warping beings.
Not to mention Sephiroth specifically helps end the cycle so that he can return to his universe and kill Cloud.
Except in the timeline of the FF universes itself, this never occured, thus Dissidia can easily be written off as non canon bullshit
If Holy is able to push an airship of that weight from near the center of the planet high into the atmosphere then obviously Sephiroth's will would need to be stronger than that.
Pushing up an 1800 airship is hardly consequential compared to Kratos or most GoW chars for that matter
Even if it is an illusion it still has the power of an exploding star(As stated by the ultimania). Also please provide proof that it is an illusion.
The fact it's used several times and the solar system is there. Just a thought
That and what the **** was the point of 'teh balck metria" if he could just blow up the solar system and be done with it
I am sorry, but Sephiroth never blew up planets and stars 20 times. Gameplay is not how the fight actually occurs and it needs to be balanced. We all know this.
Excuses, excuses
So what if it's an outlier? He has it and can use it.
If it's an outlier it can't be used. Same reason we don't say Spiderman is herald tier because he beat Firelord or Black Panther because he beat Silver Surfer
Simple as that
I do not know their feats nor the manner in which they mind-rape, Sephiroth can literally just force people to pass out or create elaborate illusions. Remember to take into account it's Sephiroths will that is able to mind rape them and he mind raped them all while holding back holy, can Kratos take the full power of his will? I am not so sure.
Equivalence. Ares and Persephone can do the same thing to Kratos. Guess how well that worked :distracted
Disagree.
Good for you
Except in Dissidia cut-scenes.
Scans or it didn't happen
I don't really know, is there a link to this math somewhere? Either way 15 megatons is more than enough to contend with Kratos.
Maybe later, too lazy right now
And no, 15 megatons is worthless next to Kratos' durability
Don't know why I'm doing this. Afaik, this shit's been brought up and done to death many times
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Except in the timeline of the FF universes itself, this never occured, thus Dissidia can easily be written off as non canon bullshit
Aktchually Cosmos and Chaos rip up the FF worlds and joined them together, it's just when they all come out of a cycle they don't remember it.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Pushing up an 1800 airship is hardly consequential compared to Kratos or most GoW chars for that matter
I don't get how he would resist Sephiroths will which can be non-physical or manifest itself physically.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
The fact it's used several times and the solar system is there. Just a thoughtExcuses, excuses
What the hell man, I have been through this. Please provide proof of Sephiroth ever using this ability in canon.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
That and what the **** was the point of 'teh balck metria" if he could just blow up the solar system and be done with it
His goal wasn't to blow up the solar system.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
If it's an outlier it can't be used. Same reason we don't say Spiderman is herald tier because he beat Firelord or Black Panther because he beat Silver SurferSimple as that
Originally posted by Peach
I will make this very clear: If a character can do something in a game, they can do it in the vs. thread, unless the original post specifically says no. This does not extend to things that are clearly gameplay mechanics - stuff like QTEs, turn-based systems, health and magic point systems, etc. It does extend to abilities that are clearly seen to be used in the game, and that the character is clearly intended to be able to do - the developers would not give the characters abilities that can be used in gameplay if they didn't intend them to be able to use them.
The developers give Sephiroth Supernova in every game, he has the ability therefore he can use it and it's been quantified by it's name, developers and what the ability does in it's gameplay cutscene. All of those things match.
Originally posted by Peach
Equivalence. Ares and Persephone can do the same thing to Kratos. Guess how well that worked :distracted
I don't know if they are equivalent. Especially when taking into account Sephiroths other will feats.
Originally posted by Peach
Scans or it didn't happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MFf9-c49qw @ 3
Originally posted by Peach
And no, 15 megatons is worthless next to Kratos' durabilityDon't know why I'm doing this. Afaik, this shit's been brought up and done to death many times
Can I see stuff showing Kratos with more durability than that?
Heh, me either. Maybe you are just bored like me.