Ryu Vs. Iori

Started by Darkstorm Zero16 pages

Like it or loathe it, Rugal pales in comparison to Goenitz, and Kyo actually lasted longer one on one against him than Rugal did...

Cheap shot in his weakest showing... in almost every othr time Ryu fought Sagat besids Alpha, Ryu beat him stupid... Hell man, if you really want to play scemantics, Dan beat Sagat...

Rugal is the strongest KOF boss outside of Orochi?... thats a debate by and of itself... and although Rugal IMO outclasses guys like Geese and Krauser, he aint no way stronger than Goenitz or the high end Nests bosses, Nor Mukai for that matter...

Cheap shot in his weakest showing... in almost every othr time Ryu fought Sagat besids Alpha, Ryu beat him stupid... Hell man, if you really want to play scemantics, Dan beat Sagat...

Sagat beat Ryu in SF 1 till Ryu cheap shotted his way to victory. the next time they fought was in the SFAlpha3 days where Ryu, as Psycho Ryu, fought Sagat.....................and lost again thought it was one on one and Ryu was powered up (pyscho power being the twin sis of dark hadou).
In SF2 from all sources and it is practically considered canon now that Ryu in fact lost to Ken in the SF2 tournament so he never actually faced Sagat. Sagat wasn't even there in SF3 or anywhere after SF2.

so whats this "ryu beat him every other time" that you're talking about?

Funny, considering it was rfyu who faced off against Bison before Akuma showed up and sent him to hell.

Oh and being a kindred power to the Dark hadou does not mean it's anywhere near as strong, nore was Ryu's body actually accepting that power since ryu fought it off. The Dark hadou evil Ryu wields is a naturally occuring power, whereas the psycho power was forced into him and therefore it was being rejected despite it being a kindred power.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Like it or loathe it, Rugal pales in comparison to Goenitz, and Kyo actually lasted longer one on one against him than Rugal did...
Rugal is the strongest KOF boss outside of Orochi?... thats a debate by and of itself... and although Rugal IMO outclasses guys like Geese and Krauser, he aint no way stronger than Goenitz or the high end Nests bosses, Nor Mukai for that matter...
Gotta Agree. Geese is cooler than Rugal, but Rugal'd whoop him. Rugal's cooler than Goenitz, but Goenitz snatches his eye out of his face before you can blink. And Kyo can beat pre Orochi Rugal. I'm not sure how tough the Nests guys were.

Funny, considering it was rfyu who faced off against Bison before Akuma showed up and sent him to hell.
Oh and being a kindred power to the Dark hadou does not mean it's anywhere near as strong, nore was Ryu's body actually accepting that power since ryu fought it off. The Dark hadou evil Ryu wields is a naturally occuring power, whereas the psycho power was forced into him and therefore it was being rejected despite it being a kindred power.

whats funnier is that capcom has never actualy stated who won SF2 or who faced Bison.

Yes they did. Gouki killed Bison. You're right about the winner part though. I don't consider the NESTS saga as counting. All of them were clones or enhanced via battle data. That's aid by technology, thus they are weaker on their own.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes they did. Gouki killed Bison. You're right about the winner part though. I don't consider the NESTS saga as counting. All of them were clones or enhanced via battle data. That's aid by technology, thus they are weaker on their own.

You could say the same thing about Bison, but we all know that Bison was the best badass boss design for ages, technology or not. and it's a proven fact that Bison, although weaker without the Psycho Drive was still enough of a badass to match Geese.

You could say the same thing about Bison, but we all know that Bison was the best badass boss design for ages, technology or not. and it's a proven fact that Bison, although weaker without the Psycho Drive was still enough of a badass to match Geese.

proven? How? Where?

Originally posted by Sado22
proven? How? Where?

I was talking about his design... and it was in response to Tricksters comments about the Nests cast.

Originally posted by Remulous
He could've done that, he should've done that, but he didn't. SNK has more than made up for that by making classics like Kyo and Terry, something SNK should've done when they thought about AOF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_%28video_game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

The planning and production team of both games was the same. Obviously when the said team left to SNK they saw a chance for:

* Do the product they actually wanted (if they wer happy with the ways the SF franchise was going, they wouldnt had left, altho its a guess, no matter how probable it sounds).

* Arguments with Capcom making the leaving to the rival company a chance to mock the once "theyr game" by creating a new one with the similiar design and style.

Even with that, SNK has been making a great deal of respect of the characters by making them unique in theyr own way and different in character of SF. And like ir or not, and you have the rigth of not liking it, without AOF and FF you wouldnt have KOF.

Originally posted by olympian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_%28video_game%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

The planning and production team of both games was the same. Obviously when the said team left to SNK they saw a chance for:

* Do the product they actually wanted (if they wer happy with the ways the SF franchise was going, they wouldnt had left, altho its a guess, no matter how probable it sounds).

* Arguments with Capcom making the leaving to the rival company a chance to mock the once "theyr game" by creating a new one with the similiar design and style.

Even with that, SNK has been making a great deal of respect of the characters by making them unique in theyr own way and different in character of SF. And like ir or not, and you have the rigth of not liking it, without AOF and FF you wouldnt have KOF.

I get what your saying but there are only 2 choices here. Takashi riped or he was just plane lazy. He's with the rival company now, the past is the past, Ryu is not his character any more, actually he never was. So if he makes a character just like Ryu with the same moves and everything for the opposite company, it is a rip off. That's what I think.

pretty much

Originally posted by Remulous
I get what your saying but there are only 2 choices here. Takashi riped or he was just plane lazy. He's with the rival company now, the past is the past, Ryu is not his character any more, actually he never was. So if he makes a character just like Ryu with the same moves and everything for the opposite company, it is a rip off. That's what I think.

I dont really consider using something *I* create in another setting as ripping off. I am ripping off myself? So ken is a Ryu rip-off? Akuma, too?

Ripping off implies copying in an exact manner someone elses creation (can be a concept, or design, or character alltogether) and claim it as my own.

I dont consider the characters the same. Ryo doesnt have at all the same personality that Ryu, does. Neither the backstory. Neither his actual AOF storyline wich is way more dinamic than just figthing at a tournment to be the best and nothing else. And the moves while similiar arent the same either.

Heck, Ryu`s double handed fireball isent his in the fist place.

Now, lazy? I cant know. Bitter? Cant know either. He at least had the mind to create something similiar but not equal. In my view.

Originally posted by olympian
I dont really consider using something *I* create in another setting as ripping off. I am ripping off myself? So ken is a Ryu rip-off? Akuma, too?

Ripping off implies copying in an exact manner someone elses creation (can be a concept, or design, or character alltogether) and claim it as my own.

I dont consider the characters the same. Ryo doesnt have at all the same personality that Ryu, does. Neither the backstory. Neither his actual AOF storyline wich is way more dinamic than just figthing at a tournment to be the best and nothing else. And the moves while similiar arent the same either.

Heck, Ryu`s double handed fireball isent his in the fist place.

Now, lazy? I cant know. Bitter? Cant know either. He at least had the mind to create something similiar but not equal. In my view.

Here's an example of what I'm saying. You and I are cartoonist in a team, we both work together with our team to make characters and stuff. You leave our team and the character you *HELPED* create, if even that, behind as well. Now you help make new cartoon for a completly different company that has nothing to do with me, your old coworkers, and the company in general. Suddenly a new cartoon pops up and the main character looks, acts, and has the same background as the old one you worked with at your old job. Your old coworkers and the public are gonna look at the new character and think he's a rip off. Bty, Ryu will kick Ryo's b****h ass up and down the streets of Japan.

ditto

Doesn't matter if he designed ryu originallly, bottom line is ryo is an unoriginal imitation of ryu. I'm never gonna let snk live that down.

Ditto. F**k Ryo!!!!

Yeah, F to the U to the C to the K that bastard known as Ryo Sakazaki!

Yo peeps!
I don't know what's with all the Ryo hate. its just the old problem with some SF fans who look at other games and say that this guy is ripping off that, blah blah blah. i've actually heard people say stuff like Jin Kazama is a ryu ripoff. Come on! bull. apparently to these people anyone in a karate gi is ripping of Ryu. absolute rubbish. not to mention how Capcom rehashes their own karate design more than anyone else, even the moves. i'm not even saying they are "ripping off" their design in the literal sense of the word. I basically mean rehashing it. MK does that in making the same design with different color schemes and it was considered a sin by so many video gamers. however, SF seems to get off that with out its fans complaining. Unfair.
but keeping that aside.

First of all Ryo's personality is totally different. just cuz he's wearing a karate gi like a certain smoeone doesn't make him a ripoff in my eyes. Capcom didn't invent the idea of martial arts practioners wearing karate gis. Ryo has a social life, he has a bike, does carpentry and even has a horse....not to mention a French "sort of girlfriend" in King. he even goes to bars to drink and hangs around his friends. not to mention, he actually has real clothes to wear too. he isn't too smart, is a little cocky, is stubborn, pretty much of a traditionalist and quick to temper. Ryu isn't any of these...except maybe traditionalist. my god, what a ripoff!

now for the moves:
Yes ko-ho is a shoryuken but with the leading arm not the trailing onelike Ryu does (ryu does it with the leading arm only in shin shoryuken so i wonder if that means he's ripping off from Ryo). also Sagat, Sakura and Sean do something similar too but of course we know that is totally different.

if one thinks hienshipuukyaku is a ripoff of tatsumakisenpuukyaku then he needs to get his brains checked. TOTALLY different. not only does he alternate the leg he also does a straight jump kick and then a backspin. Totally different as opposed to Ryu's single leg, helicopter motion. And in KoF ryo does a jump roundhouse and then a back spin. Again totally differnet. if we go by SF fanboy logic one may claim SF to be ripping off AoF in making Ryu do the tatsumakisenpuukyaku like Ryo in the SF EX series. but we all know THAT can't be possible now can it?

Ryo's zanretsuzan is also something we've never seen Ryu do. if anything its probably homage to Kenshiro Kasumi of Fist of the Northstar, which SNK has been famous for doing. htey have paid homages to many famous anime characters for eg. K9999 is homage to tetsuo from "Akira" etc.

his powers are also totally different....in fact AoF is the series that invented the idea of "big specials". check the timelines of the games if you don't believe me. the first of its kind was "haoh-shiko-ken". again if anything shinkuu hadouken is capcom's imitation of haohshikoken.

then his other super, the "ryukorenbuu". the whole multiple attack super finished with a special move was also SNK's idea.

ko-ken was invented in the days when all SF fanboys felt taht every game is ripping off SF. So what, Andy's hishou-ken is also a hadouken wannabe too then, right? in fact any attack done with the palm of one's hands is hadouken wannabe-ish isn't it? Capcom themselves invent so many characters to do "projectiles" in motion either literally the same. but apparently that is nothing to complain about.

overtime Ryo has gotten more moves as well that make him pretty different altogether. there is that jumping chop thing, the 4 hit combo thing, the uppercut. not to mention Buriki One Ryo.

just cuz someone wears a karate gi doesn't make him a Ryu virtual clone people.
~Sado

We wen't over this already. If it was just a gi you'd have a point. Try gi(also missing the sleeves), similar name(only different by 1 damn letter), similar hard work ethic, fighting style, & he also has a rich cocky rival w/a similar fighting style. Nobody here says Jin ripped of to my knowledge because that would be stretching. Ryo ripping off Ryu is an easy connection to make. He's a ripoff and those pretending otherwise tend to come off as SNK fanboys. Dan was created for a reason. Capcom can reuse their own design all they want.