Ryu Vs. Iori

We wen't over this already. If it was just a gi you'd have a point. Try gi(also missing the sleeves), similar name(only different by 1 damn letter), similar hard work ethic, fighting style, & he also has a rich cocky rival w/a similar fighting style. Nobody here says Jin ripped of to my knowledge because that would be stretching. Ryo ripping off Ryu is an easy connection to make. He's a ripoff and those pretending otherwise tend to come off as SNK fanboys. Dan was created for a reason. Capcom can reuse their own design all they want.

but that doesn't make him a ripoff and my previous reply i tell you why. not to push you or anything but why don't you reply to me with reference to my previous post. i think it'll help me see your point as well since i might be failing to right now.

~Sado

P.S. you dare use the "f" word against me?! DIE!!!
*haohshikoken!*
😮‍💨

?I replied right under your post. You didn't really say anything that sets him far enough apart.

Originally posted by Sado22
Yo peeps!
I don't know what's with all the Ryo hate. its just the old problem with some SF fans who look at other games and say that this guy is ripping off that, blah blah blah. i've actually heard people say stuff like Jin Kazama is a ryu ripoff. Come on! bull. apparently to these people anyone in a karate gi is ripping of Ryu. absolute rubbish. not to mention how Capcom rehashes their own karate design more than anyone else, even the moves. i'm not even saying they are "ripping off" their design in the literal sense of the word. I basically mean rehashing it. MK does that in making the same design with different color schemes and it was considered a sin by so many video gamers. however, SF seems to get off that with out its fans complaining. Unfair.
but keeping that aside.

First of all Ryo's personality is totally different. just cuz he's wearing a karate gi like a certain smoeone doesn't make him a ripoff in my eyes. Capcom didn't invent the idea of martial arts practioners wearing karate gis. Ryo has a social life, he has a bike, does carpentry and even has a horse....not to mention a French "sort of girlfriend" in King. he even goes to bars to drink and hangs around his friends. not to mention, he actually has real clothes to wear too. he isn't too smart, is a little cocky, is stubborn, pretty much of a traditionalist and quick to temper. Ryu isn't any of these...except maybe traditionalist. my god, what a ripoff!

now for the moves:
Yes ko-ho is a shoryuken but with the leading arm not the trailing onelike Ryu does (ryu does it with the leading arm only in shin shoryuken so i wonder if that means he's ripping off from Ryo). also Sagat, Sakura and Sean do something similar too but of course we know that is totally different.

if one thinks hienshipuukyaku is a ripoff of tatsumakisenpuukyaku then he needs to get his brains checked. TOTALLY different. not only does he alternate the leg he also does a straight jump kick and then a backspin. Totally different as opposed to Ryu's single leg, helicopter motion. And in KoF ryo does a jump roundhouse and then a back spin. Again totally differnet. if we go by SF fanboy logic one may claim SF to be ripping off AoF in making Ryu do the tatsumakisenpuukyaku like Ryo in the SF EX series. but we all know THAT can't be possible now can it?

Ryo's zanretsuzan is also something we've never seen Ryu do. if anything its probably homage to Kenshiro Kasumi of Fist of the Northstar, which SNK has been famous for doing. htey have paid homages to many famous anime characters for eg. K9999 is homage to tetsuo from "Akira" etc.

his powers are also totally different....in fact AoF is the series that invented the idea of "big specials". check the timelines of the games if you don't believe me. the first of its kind was "haoh-shiko-ken". again if anything shinkuu hadouken is capcom's imitation of haohshikoken.

then his other super, the "ryukorenbuu". the whole multiple attack super finished with a special move was also SNK's idea.

ko-ken was invented in the days when all SF fanboys felt taht every game is ripping off SF. So what, Andy's hishou-ken is also a hadouken wannabe too then, right? in fact any attack done with the palm of one's hands is hadouken wannabe-ish isn't it? Capcom themselves invent so many characters to do "projectiles" in motion either literally the same. but apparently that is nothing to complain about.

overtime Ryo has gotten more moves as well that make him pretty different altogether. there is that jumping chop thing, the 4 hit combo thing, the uppercut. not to mention Buriki One Ryo.

just cuz someone wears a karate gi doesn't make him a Ryu virtual clone people.
~Sado

😆 😆 I agree man...see how one sided this is? There is alot of Ryo hate here...just how people complain there is alot of Kyo and Iori hate.

Originally posted by brainchild81
We wen't over this already. If it was just a gi you'd have a point. Try gi(also missing the sleeves), similar name(only different by 1 damn letter), similar hard work ethic, fighting style, & he also has a rich cocky rival w/a similar fighting style. Nobody here says Jin ripped of to my knowledge because that would be stretching. Ryo ripping off Ryu is an easy connection to make. He's a ripoff and those pretending otherwise tend to come off as SNK fanboys. Dan was created for a reason. Capcom can reuse their own design all they want.

Yep

I agree man...see how one sided this is? There is alot of Ryo hate here...just how people complain there is alot of Kyo and Iori hate.

?I replied right under your post. You didn't really say anything that sets him far enough apart.

you oughta look over that.
and for the record Ryo isn't one of my favorites at all....i just don't think he's a ryu clone like you guys tend to claim he is. which is bull.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Yo!
yes, he could use a different name.
yes, he probably would be better off without a karate gi.
yes, he has similar work ethics.

but that doesn't make him a ripoff and my previous reply i tell you why. not to push you or anything but why don't you reply to me with reference to my previous post. i think it'll help me see your point as well since i might be failing to right now.

~Sado

P.S. you dare use the "f" word against me?! DIE!!!
*haohshikoken!*
😮‍💨

Originally posted by Sado22
exactly dude.
and to top it all, the three stogies here not only decide what should be brought into an argument and what not, the whole world also has to agree with them.
so pssssssssssssst....
if you don't think Ryo's a Ryu virtual clone....your a SNK fanboy.

They just happen to share the first two letters of their nams, and just happen to have a rich best friend /rival?!

Hell, I won't be suprised if yuri is based of goukens daughter.

Originally posted by Sado22

what about my mentioning how his moves are different? what about personality? what about Capcom actually ripping off SNK?

you oughta look over that.
and for the record Ryo isn't one of my favorites at all....i just don't think he's a ryu clone like you guys tend to claim he is. which is bull.

~Sado

Ryo, is a ryu knock of with tweaked ansatsuken moves.
KO' Ken-Hadouken the only difference is that ryo does it with one hand and ryu with two,wow

Sho Ken -Shoryuken- Same exact move, except ryo is facing another direction. . .

Personality, what personality, what has ryo done in kof in the last 10 years?

Capcom ripping of snk, right. . . The only time capcom riped of snk was when they took the idea of bar regulated attacks I.E. spirit bar and created there own version called the super bar which is completely different except two similarities.

Ryo is a rip off. Ryo is Ryu with Kens' hair color and bright gi. Robert is Ken with Ryus' hair color and sometimes his white gi. If they're rips they're rips. Capcom has since then done a few rips them selves.

so if i'm correct:
haohmaru=samurai ryu clone. happens to have crazy bangs.
Kazuya=shirtless ryu clone. namco just happened to take off the shirt.
Akira=ryu clone. he too happens to take fighting very seriously. oh and he wears a bandana! blasphemy!!!
Goh= SF 2V Ryu clone with blue karate gi and spiky hair.

so basically any one who happens to take fighting seriously and wears a karate gi then he is a Ryu clone. Capcom didn't invent the karate gi design, and i'm sick of capcom fans talking like they did.
think about this:
karateka on Atari was the first game with karate theme (if my memory serves me correct) and this game came WAY before SF. the hero also happens to wear a karate gi. it only makes sense that a martial artist wears a gi. isn't that true?

and not to mention how from your logic that would mean that:
Heihachi=Akuma clone cuz they wear black karate gi.

C'mon sado, are actually arguing this?
Ryu's fighting style orginally was kyokushin karate a form of karate created by Mas Oyama. When ryo appears His fighting style is kyokugen karate!
They just happen to share the first two letters of their nams, and just happen to have a rich best friend/rival?!
Hell, I won't be suprised if yuri is based of goukens daughter.

as for me rejecting Ryo=ryuclone, i think you guys are being too harsh and taking away too much from a game that was legendary in its own right. its a true classic. you have to consider that karate and martial arts are pretty limited if you look at it. there isn't much variation you can do with moves.
the double jump kick (which ryo does) is a legimate karate move. i could pull that off (minus the glowing yellow feet) when i was green.

hadouken=koken i even admitted that it was similar and SNK could've come up with a better name as well. but again, how many ways can one throw a ki ball? power wave is the ONLY other ki throwing move that is original in its idea. everything else, at the end of the day, is a sphere of ki being thrown...in ways that usually wind up being similar to hadouken. but really, you can't throw things in too many way. plus there is the whole factor of it having to look "appealing". does anyone here think that spitting out a fireball is cool? also by this time people werent' into REALISTIC fighting games. flashy games with fakeass moves was selling and so can't blame the other companies for not taking their chances....not everyone has Sega's and Namco's pair of balls.
now why did Capcom decide to use up AoF's idea of "specials"? same reason. it was selling.

Ryo, is a ryu knock of with tweaked ansatsuken moves.
KO' Ken-Hadouken the only difference is that ryo does it with one hand and ryu with two,wow

Sho Ken -Shoryuken- Same exact move, except ryo is facing another direction

Personality, what personality, what has ryo done in kof in the last 10 years?

Capcom ripping of snk, right. . . The only time capcom riped of snk was when they took the idea of bar regulated attacks I.E. spirit bar and created there own version called the super bar which is completely different except two similarities.

Later, emperor.
~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
true that garcia boy and ryo's relationship is similar. however, there is the element of robert being not only the main character in AoF3 but he is also the brains behind the group and the focused one.
IMO Robert just happens to be a ken ripoff on default since obviously Ryo is Ryu ripoff. of course its only convenient to ignore this regular clothes and the fact that how totally different he is now in terms of moves.

So, your telling me the clothes make it less of a rip off, ok sado.

Originally posted by Sado22

so if i'm correct:
haohmaru=samurai ryu clone. happens to have crazy bangs.
Kazuya=shirtless ryu clone. namco just happened to take off the shirt.
Akira=ryu clone. he too happens to take fighting very seriously. oh and he wears a bandana! blasphemy!!!
Goh= SF 2V Ryu clone with blue karate gi and spiky hair.

None of those cases are like ryo's, where the guy has: all of ryu's trademark move set, The Exact Same Fighting Style, Thhey both just happen to have a rich bets friend/rival, And of course two of the exact same letters in a similar name. I dunnoo what's worst, the fact you said hoahmaru is a ryu knockoff, or the fact that your defending ryo's ""Originality" (And I use that term lightly)

Originally posted by Sado22

so basically any one who happens to take fighting seriously and wears a karate gi then he is a Ryu clone. Capcom didn't invent the karate gi design, and i'm sick of capcom fans talking like they did.
think about this:
karateka on Atari was the first game with karate theme (if my memory serves me correct) and this game came WAY before SF. the hero also happens to wear a karate gi. it only makes sense that a martial artist wears a gi. isn't that true?

Did I say anybody who wears a karate Gi is a ryu knock of?
The fact that he has the same fighting style, Name except one letter, moveset, and coincedently a rich rival/best friend deosn't make him a knock of according to you, please.

Originally posted by Sado22

and not to mention how from your logic that would mean that:
Heihachi=Akuma clone cuz they wear black karate gi.

To bad my argument did not just focus on his gi, I listed alot of reasons which of course you ignore as always.

Originally posted by Sado22

Yuri IS very unoriginal. that is true and SNK better had done a better job with that stupid ****.
Ryu's fighitng style for the LONGEST time had been erronously confirmed (even by dumbass Capcom of US all those years ago) to be shotokan. it was only later that they said it was ansatusken. So that kinda makes your point redundant. while AoF was out Ryu's fighitng style was still said to be shotokan karate.

Ryu's fighting style was never ever shotokan, that was Capcom of usa being retarded. His original fighting style was kyokushin Kai Karate, while ryo's is Kyokugen Karate.

Originally posted by Sado22

not to mention how Ryu's fighitng style isn't kyokushin karate to begin with....that fighting style is Jin Kazama's. i think you got mixed up there. however, the whole thing about Ryu and Sagat was inspired from the fight between Oyama and this guy who was called "the darklord of Mauythai" so probably that is why you got confused.

Yes, it was kyokushin karate, No I did not get it mixed up sado. Prior to gouki's appearence there fighting style was stated to be Kyokushin karate and I can get a source to back me up.

Originally posted by Sado22

as for me rejecting Ryo=ryuclone, i think you guys are being too harsh and taking away too much from a game that was legendary in its own right. its a true classic. you have to consider that karate and martial arts are pretty limited if you look at it. there isn't much variation you can do with moves.

Wow, two things wrong with that post. There s nothing "Legendary" about art of fighting, the game was an okay attempt to cash in on the fighting game explosion in the early 90's at the time. I should know since I was part of that generation.

Second, no variation in martial arts?! I don't even want to address that claim,But, It seems your trying to say ryo was not intended to be arip off desppite having so many indicators of one.

Originally posted by Sado22

the double jump kick (which ryo does) is a legimate karate move. i could pull that off (minus the glowing yellow feet) when i was green.

hadouken=koken i even admitted that it was similar and SNK could've come up with a better name as well. but again, how many ways can one throw a ki ball?

Originally posted by Sado22

power wave is the ONLY other ki throwing move that is original in its idea. everything else, at the end of the day, is a sphere of ki being thrown...in ways that usually wind up being similar to hadouken. but really, you can't throw things in too many way. plus there is the whole factor of it having to look "appealing".

Right, it just so happens he has a projectile spelled very similar to ryu's while having the same fighting style.

Originally posted by Sado22

does anyone here think that spitting out a fireball is cool? also by this time people werent' into REALISTIC fighting games. flashy games with fakeass moves was selling and so can't blame the other companies for not taking their chances....not everyone has Sega's and Namco's pair of balls.

Maybe it's because fighting games had just started exploding on the scene,sado.

Originally posted by Sado22

true. and look what i said above to try being more understanding regarding the issue.

Oh, I read that steaming pile, basically your saying snk was limited (Despite making so many original fighting characters) so it's a coincedence that ryo and ryu have the exact same moves,Riiiiight.

Originally posted by Sado22

again true. i said this was the most unoriginal one, dude. oh and its koho. stupid name, huh? lol. wooho..i got you with the koho. lol.
oh and why not reply to my mentioning zanretsuzan, hienshipukyaku, ryokurenbuu and other moves. not to mention AoF being the series that invented the "specials" to begin with.

Specials were around since street fighter one, the series which started them.

Originally posted by Sado22

what has his accomplishments in the tournament (not to mention being the FIRST kof champion on the damn tournament to begin with) have to do with his personality? you're being unreasonable.

Actuallly, terry was the first kof champion as stated in mark of garou.

Originally posted by Sado22

The two similarities happened to be the main thing about that idea of SNK. a big special that can be performed but only at a certain bar is full.
again, "specials" is an SNK idea which no game today feels satisfying without [maybe except virtua fighters]. however, today most of us are happy to play realistic fighters, with heroes who have a life, with heroes who actually win tournaments for a change....not to mention a cast that doesn't involve atleast 25-40% of rehashed designs.

Later, emperor.
~Sado

Specials were around since street fighter one, the series which started them.

Originally posted by Sado22
true that garcia boy and ryo's relationship is similar. however, there is the element of robert being not only the main character in AoF3 but he is also the brains behind the group and the focused one.
IMO Robert just happens to be a ken ripoff on default since obviously Ryo is Ryu ripoff. of course its only convenient to ignore this regular clothes and the fact that how totally different he is now in terms of moves.

so if i'm correct:
haohmaru=samurai ryu clone. happens to have crazy bangs.
Kazuya=shirtless ryu clone. namco just happened to take off the shirt.
Akira=ryu clone. he too happens to take fighting very seriously. oh and he wears a bandana! blasphemy!!!
Goh= SF 2V Ryu clone with blue karate gi and spiky hair.

so basically any one who happens to take fighting seriously and wears a karate gi then he is a Ryu clone. Capcom didn't invent the karate gi design, and i'm sick of capcom fans talking like they did.
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Originally posted by Remulous
No buddy. .

I haven't heard that in a minute.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
😆 😆 I agree man...see how one sided this is? There is alot of Ryo hate here...just how people complain there is alot of Kyo and Iori hate.

Originally posted by Sado22
exactly dude.
and to top it all, the three stogies here not only decide what should be brought into an argument and what not, the whole world also has to agree with them.

Originally posted by Sado22
so pssssssssssssst....
if you don't think Ryo's a Ryu virtual clone....your a SNK fanboy.
what about my mentioning how his moves are different? what about personality? what about Capcom actually ripping off SNK? you oughta look over that.
and for the record Ryo isn't one of my favorites at all....i just don't think he's a ryu clone like you guys tend to claim he is. which is bull.

~Sado

"There's a very good reason for the Ryo hate. He's a ripoff & a dirty mark on the old SNK's otherwise great record for character design. SNK makes some of the best original characters. Hell, they've got 6 in my top ten(more than Capcom) & 2 in my top 3 because of this. If you pretend they were going for originality when they made Ryo, you are lying to yourself. Plain & simple. For all their flaws Kyo's a good design and Iori raised the bar for character design, even inspiring some Capcom imitations like Terry(Roy Bromwell) did(Kyosuke Kagami) Ryo.....not @all & you know it. Dan was meant to be a mockery of the ripped off style that went into Ryo's creation. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's more popular than lame-o"

To start off first this reminds me of an episode of Chappelle's show. The episode of the awards for the playa haters ball I think. I can just hear the audience now...hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate.

The only thing Ryo and Ryu seem to have in common, is they both wear a Gi...there first name is similar. The only thing Robert and Ken have in common, is they are wealthy. If SNK totally wanted to rip off the character designs in AOF, then Robert would also be wearing a Gi like Ryo. Ryo has some movesets similar to Ryu's but he also has movesets way different them him as well. Also Sado mentioned both characters are totally different in terms of story and much everything else.

I am not talking about character designs like you are...I am talking about the Character himself(Like Sado stated)Ryo has other things going for him other than running the dojo....as well he does wear normal clothes....though I guess that does not mean jack since Ryo is similar to Ryu in terms of design he is just lame O 🙄

Originally posted by Remulous
No buddy. When you look like a character, dress like another character and has extremly similar moves and your not owned by the same company, that's when it's a rip off. I find it mighty strange that Ryo has a rival, Robert = Ken. An alternate form, Mr. Karate = Evil Ryu. An elder warrior who practices the same style, Takuma = Akuma (he basicly has the same name too, plus the T). A female counter part, Yuri = Sakura. Also has an up and coming fighter that knows the same style as well, Marco = Sean. And the rivals are both trained by the main characters' father figure, Takuma also = Gouken. If that aint a straight rip off then that's 1 hell of a coincidnce.

That means Akuma not only is a Ryu rip off, hes also a Mr Karate rip off 😂 ?

Dear Emperor. Ryu is a karate kid rip of. Live with it. Do people even know the same team made both games? Man, Jack kirby must have ripped off himself all over his life!

Originally posted by Remulous
Here's an example of what I'm saying. You and I are cartoonist in a team, we both work together with our team to make characters and stuff. You leave our team and the character you *HELPED* create, if even that, behind as well. Now you help make new cartoon for a completly different company that has nothing to do with me, your old coworkers, and the company in general. Suddenly a new cartoon pops up and the main character looks, acts, and has the same background as the old one you worked with at your old job. Your old coworkers and the public are gonna look at the new character and think he's a rip off. Bty, Ryu will kick Ryo's b****h ass up and down the streets of Japan.

Can i see where you got the ideia, that everyone of the old team left to SNK except the ONE guy who made it all? 🤓

The guys who made the game (not one, but the guyS) left to SNK. They are creadited of doing both games, period. You migthnot like it, neither Emperor and Brainchild is the same old. But its there.

Again, how its a rip off if i leave to another company and recreate my work, my concepts? In fact ill debate alot of the points brougth up by the poster above:

1- A hero having a close friendly rival. Now, where did i saw that before SF? How about Dragonball for starters?

2- Moves. The most famous being a double handed fireball. Where did i saw that before? Yeah, Dragonball.

3- Having a colored Gi. Should i even debate this one? Karate Kid. Dragonball. Lots of others.

4- Takuma came before Akuma, didnt he? And an elder who practises the same style? Damn, Dragonball again.
5- Both King and Yuri came before. But again a female martial artist closely related to the hero. Not even going there.

6- Marco came before, didnt he?

That there are similarities its a given. The same head team created both. The characters otoh are different enough with BOTH being created under the SAME influences.

Originally posted by brainchild81
There's a very good reason for the Ryo hate. He's a ripoff & a dirty mark on the old SNK's otherwise great record for character design. SNK makes some of the best original characters. Hell, they've got 6 in my top ten(more than Capcom) & 2 in my top 3 because of this. If you pretend they were going for originality when they made Ryo, you are lying to yourself. Plain & simple. For all their flaws Kyo's a good design and Iori raised the bar for character design, even inspiring some Capcom imitations like Terry(Roy Bromwell) did(Kyosuke Kagami) Ryo.....not @all & you know it. Dan was meant to be a mockery of the ripped off style that went into Ryo's creation. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's more popular than lame-oI don’t think they’re going to like being called that🙁 Let’s all try to be civil
He’s a ripoff. His moves weren’t different enough. Nor was his look. He does his poor man’s dragon punch w/a different hand or something. Wow. He totally made the move his own 🙂 Seriously. If some guy came out from Capcom named Barry Gobard & he wore a vest & jeans & did a lot of moves that involved punching the ground & did a burn knuckle type move, would you call him a ripoff or would you say something like he really is or say something like “Nu uh! He does the burn knuckle thing with his other hand!!! He’s a totally original character!!!!” ? Come on now. & SNK started the ripping off, so anything Capcom did was payback.

If a completly different team came up with the same guy and with the same backstory, then its a rip off. Funny, how Ryo`s original backstory isent nearly the same. Neither the character itself.

What he wears or not, its off few importance. Nowadays his gi design tends to original compared to Ryu`s. And since the same head team created both games wich includes the characters i dont even bother with it 🪩

Originally posted by Sado22
Yo peeps!
I don't know what's with all the Ryo hate. its just the old problem with some SF fans who look at other games and say that this guy is ripping off that, blah blah blah. i've actually heard people say stuff like Jin Kazama is a ryu ripoff. Come on! bull. apparently to these people anyone in a karate gi is ripping of Ryu. absolute rubbish. not to mention how Capcom rehashes their own karate design more than anyone else, even the moves. i'm not even saying they are "ripping off" their design in the literal sense of the word. I basically mean rehashing it. MK does that in making the same design with different color schemes and it was considered a sin by so many video gamers. however, SF seems to get off that with out its fans complaining. Unfair.
but keeping that aside.

First of all Ryo's personality is totally different. just cuz he's wearing a karate gi like a certain smoeone doesn't make him a ripoff in my eyes. Capcom didn't invent the idea of martial arts practioners wearing karate gis. Ryo has a social life, he has a bike, does carpentry and even has a horse....not to mention a French "sort of girlfriend" in King. he even goes to bars to drink and hangs around his friends. not to mention, he actually has real clothes to wear too. he isn't too smart, is a little cocky, is stubborn, pretty much of a traditionalist and quick to temper. Ryu isn't any of these...except maybe traditionalist. my god, what a ripoff!.
~Sado

I want to see when Capcom is going to pay the Dragonball royalties. They wer doing the ripped colored Gi since 84 😛

Originally posted by brainchild81
There's a very good reason for the Ryo hate. He's a ripoff & a dirty mark on the old SNK's otherwise great record for character design. SNK makes some of the best original characters. Hell, they've got 6 in my top ten(more than Capcom) & 2 in my top 3 because of this. If you pretend they were going for originality when they made Ryo, you are lying to yourself. Plain & simple. For all their flaws Kyo's a good design and Iori raised the bar for character design, even inspiring some Capcom imitations like Terry(Roy Bromwell) did(Kyosuke Kagami)

Whoa, roy is a knock off of terry? How did you come to that conclusion, Brainchild? Their nothing a like. Also, who's kyosuke a knock off of?

Snk does have alot of original characters, But your talking it too far.

EDIT: I can't believe people are defending ryo's "Originality" (I use that word lightly,snk fans are ridicules at times.)

Originally posted by olympian

I want to see when Capcom is going to pay the Dragonball royalties. They wer doing the ripped colored Gi since 84 😛

Nobody in dragon ball whore rip sleeve's, and dragon ball owes "Hokuto No Ken" royalties for stealing their ki techniques.

Okay brainchild, i'll get to your reply after emperor (don't feel sad now, ok? lol)

Emperor:
first of all, get your eyes and brain checked!
I wasn't even talking to you for the most part of the damn reply! I was talking to whoever it was that mentioned "robert being a ken with ryu's hair"
getting all worked up and flaming me for no reason...idiot.

So, your telling me the clothes make it less of a rip off, ok sado.

None of those cases are like ryo's, where the guy has: all of ryu's trademark move set, The Exact Same Fighting Style, Thhey both just happen to have a rich bets friend/rival, And of course two of the exact same letters in a similar name. I dunnoo what's worst, the fact you said hoahmaru is a ryu knockoff, or the fact that your defending ryo's ""Originality" (And I use that term lightly)

Did I say anybody who wears a karate Gi is a ryu knock of?
The fact that he has the same fighting style, Name except one letter, moveset, and coincedently a rich rival/best friend deosn't make him a knock of according to you, please.

To bad my argument did not just focus on his gi, I listed alot of reasons whiYes, it was kyokushin karate, No I did not get it mixed up sado. Prior to gouki's appearence there fighting style was stated to be Kyokushin karate and I can get a source to back me up.
ch of course you ignore as always.

Ryu's fighting style was never ever shotokan, that was Capcom of usa being retarded. His original fighting style was kyokushin Kai Karate, while ryo's is Kyokugen Karate.

Yes, it was kyokushin karate, No I did not get it mixed up sado. Prior to gouki's appearence there fighting style was stated to be Kyokushin karate and I can get a source to back me up.

There's nothing "Legendary" about art of fighting, the game was an okay attempt to cash in on the fighting game explosion in the early 90's at the time. I should know since I was part of that generation.

Second, no variation in martial arts?! I don't even want to address that claim,But, It seems your trying to say ryo was not intended to be arip off desppite having so many indicators of one.

Wow, are you aware of how many original fighters snk had?
They were the first franchise to create ground firebalss and your telling me they can't create an original main character despite doing so for all these years.

Right, it just so happens he has a projectile spelled very similar to ryu's while having the same fighting style.

hadouken=koken i even admitted that it was similar and SNK could've come up with a better name as well.

Maybe it's because fighting games had just started exploding on the scene,sado.

Oh, I read that steaming pile, basically your saying snk was limited (Despite making so many original fighting characters) so it's a coincedence that ryo and ryu have the exact same moves,Riiiiight.

Specials were around since street fighter one, the series which started them.

Actuallly, terry was the first kof champion as stated in mark of garou.

No buddy. When you look like a character, dress like another character and has extremly similar moves and your not owned by the same company, that's when it's a rip off. I find it mighty strange that Ryo has a rival, Robert = Ken. An alternate form, Mr. Karate = Evil Ryu. An elder warrior who practices the same style, Takuma = Akuma (he basicly has the same name too, plus the T). A female counter part, Yuri = Sakura. Also has an up and coming fighter that knows the same style as well, Marco = Sean. And the rivals are both trained by the main characters' father figure, Takuma also = Gouken. If that aint a straight rip off then that's 1 hell of a coincidnce.

to be contd>>

Originally posted by olympian

Can i see where you got the ideia, that everyone of the old team left to SNK except the ONE guy who made it all? 🤓

The guys who made the game (not one, but the guyS) left to SNK. They are creadited of doing both games, period. You migthnot like it, neither Emperor and Brainchild is the same old. But its there.

Again, how its a rip off if i leave to another company and recreate my work, my concepts? In fact ill debate alot of the points brougth up by the poster above:

First of all, screw that guy. Is there any proof that he even created ryu, because this is starting to sound like bs snk fans make up to defend ryo all the time.

Second, No one is arging that capcom created the Karate Fighter Archetype, that would be absurd. We all know that japanese fighting games were bound to have this archetype that is chracterized by

-Karate Gi (Whatever variation, mostly short sleeves though)
-A variation of the tornado kick, A trademark karate move
-A variation of the Rising uppercut, another trademark karate move
-And possible ki blast

Capcom was the first to cash in on it, so, naturally people might call others rip offs. But, ryo IS a rip off, because he follows the exact same model that capcom used for there Karate-KA Archetype. Right, down to the letters of the name.

Originally posted by olympian

1- A hero having a close friendly rival. Now, where did i saw that before SF? How about Dragonball for starters?

No, a hero having a best friend.rival who is rich and know's the same style as him.

Originally posted by olympian

2- Moves. The most famous being a double handed fireball. Where did i saw that before? Yeah, Dragonball.

Try having 3 similar moves with identical names, if he just had a rising uppercut and a fprojectile or both, no problem. But, Rising uppercut, rojectile, and flying kick move with identicle names?!

Originally posted by olympian

3- Having a colored Gi. Should i even debate this one? Karate Kid. Dragonball. Lots of others.

Try having a gi with the same model as ryu, and having kens hair tight down to the eye brows.

Originally posted by olympian

5- Both King and Yuri came before. But again a female martial artist closely related to the hero. Not even going there.

6- Marco came before, didnt he?

Originally posted by olympian

That there are similarities its a given. The same head team created both. The characters otoh are different enough with BOTH being created under the SAME influences.

sean matsuda, came out in 1997.

I don’t think they’re going to like being called that Let’s all try to be civil

A hero having a close friendly rival. Now, where did i saw that before SF? How about Dragonball for starters?

Moves. The most famous being a double handed fireball. Where did i saw that before? Yeah, Dragonball.

Having a colored Gi. Should i even debate this one? Karate Kid. Dragonball. Lots of others.

Takuma came before Akuma, didnt he? And an elder who practises the same style? Damn, Dragonball again.

Both King and Yuri came before. But again a female martial artist closely related to the hero. Not even going there.

Well no need for me to say anything more since olympian has OWNED this thread for free. rock on, dude.

Whoa, roy is a knock off of terry? How did you come to that conclusion, Brainchild? Their nothing a like.

Nobody in dragon ball whore rip sleeve's, and dragon ball owes "Hokuto No Ken" royalties for stealing their ki techniques.

~Sado
P.S. i was happy to finish our stupid skirmishes and even apologized for being rude at one point....but YOU crossed the line here by flaming me.

Originally posted by Sado22
Okay brainchild, i'll get to your reply after emperor (don't feel sad now, ok? lol)

Emperor:
first of all, get your eyes and brain checked!
I wasn't even talking to you for the most part of the damn reply! I was talking to whoever it was that mentioned "robert being a ken with ryu's hair"
getting all worked up and flaming me for no reason...idiot.

Worked up, idiot, looks like it's that time of the month for you, right?

Originally posted by Sado22

NOW i was talking to you
it was shotokan for as long as i can remember dude. care to send me your source and i will gladly consider myself corrected.

Saiki said until SF2 Ryu and Ken's style was Kyokushinkai karate, a
derivative of Shotokan, that I learned is a full-contact style with
considerable focus on strenuous training and philosophy. After SF1 he said
Capcom changed it to a generic ansatsuken

http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/variousinfopages/streetfighterplotguide.txt

Originally posted by Sado22

it was AoF and FF that brought SNK to where it is today and are proper classics. that makes them legendary for most SNK loyals. not to mention that it was the whole idea of TerryvsRyo that got SNK into making the most popular 2D fighting game in most of the countries today (save US)...KoF.

LOL, most popular, kof is only popular in mexico and parts of china. capcom owns arcades in us, japan, and some places in europe. Nevermind that AOF and FF 1 sucked, it was until they borrrowed the street fighter 2 engine they became big.

Originally posted by Sado22

what i have been intending to say right off the bat is that Ryo isn't as much of a ripoff as you guys claim him to be. period. i'd say 25 to 30 percent ripoff.
personality, character history, bio, more moves, introduced the specials....are all unique to Ryo and its time you aknowledge that.

Wow, that makes him so original, he has a different backstory. . .

Originally posted by Sado22

they all either throw ki on the ground, kick it or shoot it with their hands, isn't it?

It isn't because he throws a projectile, it's because he throws a projectile called Ko-Ken while having other huge similarities with ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22

and i reply to prove how blind and guilty of ignoring my main points you really are. behold my own comment regarding ko-ken:

so shut up.

Please sado, you act like you didn't do the same. When you accused me of calling ryo a knock off because of his gi only, so you shut up.

Originally posted by Sado22

steaming pile? now you're being rude. i already apologized for being rude to you before....and this is how you respond. you wouldn't want me to start again.

Pfft, start all you want, No biggie. Just stop acting like a hypocrite and make sensible argument. That's my whole problem with you, when some one makes a post regarding your arguments you ignore it. Yet, call them out when they do the same like you just did with the ko-ken.

Originally posted by Sado22

you're telling me shinkuu-hadouken was around since SF1?
AoF is the series that started it, dude.

Shinkkuuu- hadouken is a super, not a special.

Originally posted by Sado22

well "mark of garou" doesn't seem to be right, since it has been confirmed that in AoF/FF timeline Ryo is 15 years older than Terry Bogard and is the first champ of KoF (which took place in AoF2). get your facts straight for a change.

Get my facts straight, like when you got all those sf facts wrong. Your such a hypocrite it's ridiculous. When you claimed guile/chun li killed bison, or shinkuu-hadouken is a special?