Time vs Realty Manipulation...

Erasing a big bang is universal.

yeah but he can also do it for other timelines as well,

Since the Anti-Monitor wiped out the Multiverese they discovered a new series of paralel universes they called Hypertime.

i think reality manipulation would win one could ben the laws of the universe includeing tempral lawas to their will the could negate tempral powers

yes but her powers work as a wave spreading outward as shown in House of M #1 whereas Extant power works instantly as shown in JSA#12.

Look: The concepts of space and time are tools, which, used in conjunction, make up reality. Joe drove his car in Queens, New York at 5:30. That is the reality. To alter that means you are able to alter anything, at full power.

Now, what Reality cannot change is what already happened. If Wanda turns Peter Parker into a monkey (spidermonkey 😛 ) someone could go back to when he was born to his monkey-parents. However, concievably, someone could access the original, unaltered timeline, to before he was changed into a monkey. Thus, time can work outside reality manipulation. But it is still a part of reality. Which is why Realitytrumps 10/10

Time could turn Wolverine into anything if you knew how to do it. But you would have to physically do it. You could go back and genetically engineer him to become a zebra.

But reality would be better because u could simply recreate reallity the way you want it to be with time u hav to make it something that could have really happened not like making rick james a chair in the watchtower

LOL I think we are all going to have headaches before this is over.

Now I want to see Spider-monkey!!!

Originally posted by Ext@nt
yes but her powers work as a wave spreading outward as shown in House of M #1 whereas Extant power works instantly as shown in JSA#12.

Now your going to places you shouldn't.

That's false.

Wanda's power does NOT operate in a wave form, I don't know where you got that from.

The Chaos Wave spreads, on that your correct.

When Wanda Remade 616 like for the 8th time, it was always by exploding the Universe and then Recreating it instantaneously.

Wanda REMAKING the 616 Reality for the first time

NEXT PANEL

And thats it, the Universe has been REMADE

I think I see what you thought you saw in the artistic representation, but as you can see, within TWO Panels the Universe has been REMADE.
That would fall under the category (INSTANTANEOUS)

For instance, in House of M, Wanda remade reality so that the reality which she created was always like that. It had always been. But, as stated, one could concievably access the previous, unaltered timeline. Now, the question is whether you can do that soley with time manip

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
For instance, in House of M, Wanda remade reality so that the reality which she created was always like that. It had always been. But, as stated, one could concievably access the previous, unaltered timeline. Now, the question is whether you can do that soley with time manip

We must be forgetting the other side of the coin.

Why wouldn't Wanda just take his powers away?

Or Wanda can make a Reality where Extant has no powers, or different powers.

Or Wanda can make it so he never absorbs the Warlog and Mobius Chair.

That last one works both ways.

And this isn't Wanda vs. Extant.

This is someone with perfect control of Reality vs. Extant.

Meaning Reality wins.

Every damn time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
We must be forgetting the other side of the coin.

Why wouldn't Wanda just take his powers away?

Or Wanda can make a Reality where Extant has no powers, or different powers.

Or Wanda can make it so he never absorbs the Warlog and Mobius Chair.

So your saying they are basically equal then? And I dont know if Extant can be effected by Time altering since once he absorbed the Worlogog and Mobius he became a time elemental and was in essence par tof time itself.

One question I have is the Chaos Wave a form of energy?

Originally posted by Ext@nt
So your saying they are basically equal then? And I dont know if Extant can be effected by Time altering since once he absorbed the Worlogog and Mobius he became a time elemental and was in essence par tof time itself.

I'm beginning to lean towards, Stalemate.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
One question I have is the Chaos Wave a form of energy?

Nah, Magic.

oh okay. cause if it was energy he would pull the waverider trick and become chaoswave extant and then we are all in trouble.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Extant has done everything Wanda did,

He recreated the Universe in JSA 12-13,
He brought back the dead, Dove.

Time manipulation trumps reality. You can alter Reality to say the sky is green. But time manipulation can prevent the atmosphere from ever forming in the first place.

How in the world would you prevent the atmosphere from even forming with time manipulation?

Reality manipulation is above time manipulation cause reality also inclueds time and so on

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Reality manipulation is above time manipulation cause reality also inclueds time and so on

No it doesnt actually, I've already covered this in this thread, Its just when a new reality is made everyones minds just adapt to the new version.

Can we just argue this is the Extant vs Wanda thread cause its kinda pointless to have 2 threads arguing the exact same thing.

I'm not to sure, Time Manip, Manipulate the past to your own whim more or less Reality Manip. But Reality Manip can do more i believe, as it can alter ANYTHING more or less.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
So your saying they are basically equal then? And I dont know if Extant can be effected by Time altering since once he absorbed the Worlogog and Mobius he became a time elemental and was in essence par tof time itself.

Time is not part of reality otherwise there wouldnt be a time gem AND a reality gem.

Ive used the example over in the extant vs wanda thread where this same arguement is going on.