Originally posted by Juntai
In Illinois, there's a city called Metropolis, and they have a giant statue of superman statue in the middle of it. There's a Superman museum there.Superman has a ride at six flags.
Superman among all comic characters has had by far the most tv time, with several cartoon series, and one hour cartoon movies, justice league, Super friends, the several tv series', etc.
Spiderman has one of the biggest movies ever made, one of Universal's most popular rides ever, has the #1 merchandizing industry in the world(and has for years), had the most anticipated Saturday morning cartoon(not to mention one of the top five most succesfull) ever shown, and is DEMANDED to be in as many comics as he possibly can. So what about TV? Spiderman is never done correctly on the television, thus not many shows are made.
I see the most iconic like this.
1. Spiderman
2. Superman(I despise him, but he is incredibly iconic)
3. Ultraman(he has his own AMUSEMENT PARK!)
4. Hulk
5. Batman(don't like him, but hey)
6. Kamen Rider(the guy had one of Japan's most successful shows ever, not to mention their second largest franchise)
7. Wonder Woman
8. Green Lantern
9. Fantastic Four
10. X-Men
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
I see the most iconic like this.1. Spiderman
2. Superman(I despise him, but he is incredibly iconic)
3. Ultraman(he has his own AMUSEMENT PARK!)
4. Hulk
5. Batman(don't like him, but hey)
6. Kamen Rider(the guy had one of Japan's most successful shows ever, not to mention their second largest franchise)
7. Wonder Woman
8. Green Lantern
9. Fantastic Four
10. X-Men
This is how I see it:
1: Superman
2: Batman
3: The Smurfs(I suppose Papa Smurf is the most well known)
4: Spiderman
5: Hulk
6: Asterix
7: Tin Tin
8: Wolverine(thanks to the movies)
That's about it, if we're talking about world wide comic book icons. As famous (among comic readers) as characters like Thor, Wonder Woman and all the rest may be, they're not nearly as iconic as those characters.
Well, I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of any right now.
Originally posted by leonidas
without superman, there is a very real possibility that spiderman (and everyone else, for that matter) never would have existed.in terms of pure stature, it's superman and everyone else.
Originally posted by Dinalfoswhile batman did have depth he didnt come across with it the same way spiderman did, spider-man literally puts us in his shoes as we also come across most of the same problems he faces in our own every day life(not refering to any superhero stuff)
Well, Batman had depth too. Even before Spiderman. But the thing is, Spiderman grew to be a more interesting character.
i love the motivation for both characters IMO batman and spider-man have real reasons to dawn their tights and be heroes but the diffrence in why is something that gives spiderman the slight edge
bruce was only a child when his parents were killed it was not his fault and he was powerless to do anything about it and thus he's spent the rest of his life preventing something like that from ever happening again he's a hero without the sin
peter is a hero with the sin he is his own worst enemy, he gained great power but misused it and was acting irresposnibily and because of one selfish act the man who had been like a father to him was killed it was pete's fault he could have prevented it and he has to get up every single day and look himself in the mirror knowing that fact he understands what can happen if power is misused and that's why he became a hero, that and to repent for his sins
Originally posted by lando005Nowhere near Supes' portrayed, who has had a cartoon or a tv show, or both on air, dating from today, to the 1930's.
oh yea spider-man has appered in many tv shows and catoons and games as such compaireing the 2 like that is kinda useless and it's aside the point anyway
Originally posted by lando005That's all opinion and is truly beside the point here. This is about who's impact is harder, who is more recognized, etc. Spiderman is certainly Marvel's biggest icon, but he can't be compared to Superman's status.
i've already stated that at the beginning of all of this it's for that reason and mainly that reason alone that he's always going to sit in the #1 spot it's not just hum whoever would have came first would be sitting in superman's spot he has a 20 yea minimum head start against anybody else out there so ofcouse that influences things a bit, but the fact is as a cahracter he's still kind of shallow spiderman brought depth to comic book characters on a scale never seen before without him all the other woulb be nothing more than just inkdrawings on paper
Yeah, I agree. But Batman has done a lot for dark, brooding character developement. While I do believe Spiderman to be the vastly superior character(who has plenty of dark stuff as well), there's no denying that Bruce Wayne started the whole psychologically tortured and twisted hero stuff. Or at least helped develope it.
But yeah, Spiderman took some of those elements, some of Superman's and added a whole lot of his own. He took a premise and made it his own.
Originally posted by Juntaithat's not irrelivant at all that's part of the topic to debate here please go back and read the begining of the post while i have be debating impact superman supporters have onlys shown he has more spotlight
That's all opinion and is truly beside the point here. This is about who's impact is harder, who is more recognized, etc. Spiderman is certainly Marvel's biggest icon, but he can't be compared to Superman's status.
Originally posted by Dinalfosi'm not denying bruce in that department he's got it made it just that haveing your parents killed in front of you when your a helpless child is one thing knowing your father figure was killed because of an action that YOU could have prevented is another
Yeah, I agree. But Batman has done a lot for dark, brooding character developement. While I do believe Spiderman to be the vastly superior character(who has plenty of dark stuff as well), there's no denying that Bruce Wayne started the whole psychologically tortured and twisted hero stuff. Or at least helped develope it.But yeah, Spiderman took some of those elements, some of Superman's and added a whole lot of his own. He took a premise and made it his own.
you're confusing the issue saying spidey added never-before-seen-depth to charatcers. MARVEL itself decided to take their heroes from the 'less-iconic', completely-perfect-heroes dc had been using, and go for a more 'reality-based' hero set. ff appeared before spidey and the ff had the same kind of depth you're attributing to spiderman -- just look at what happened to poor grim. banner as hulk was also around the same time as spidey and was done in the same character-type. real person, real problems that transferred over to the hero. spiderman has ultimately proven to be perhaps marvel's flagship (though some would argue the xmen hold that more modern role) but it was not spiderman per se who began this type of characterization. it was the direction lee chose to take his charatcers in. it was an entire paradigm shift. and spidey (great as he is) wasn't even at the forefront of it.
and FAR before marvel began, batman was already BEGINNING to set the stage for the anti-hero-type.
you're over-creditting spiderman's role in comicdom. i'll not argue he's played a large role, just not so large as you're claiming and certainly not as big a role as any of dc's big 3 -- bats, (first anti-hero), ww (first female -- essentially) or superman (greatest and most important of them all).
as far as movies or games -- who cares? we are (or i thought we were) discussing the characters' relative impacts on the comicbook genre.