Originally posted by brainchild81
you are joking right?
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Even though my statements are more thought out than yours? Your whole insight is based on biased opinion. Go back to the little bus.
While we're speaking of Superman's iconhood.
How about other icons supporting him?
Shaq's nickname is Superman, he sports the tatoo on his arm.
Jay Z's new Album is Kingdom Come, and likens his return to rap to Superman's retirement and reemergence, which Supes had considered a mistake, just like Jay.
How about 3 Door's Down hit that put them on the Map? Kryptonite anyone?
The Eminem Song, Superman?
Probably Our Lady Peace's hugest hit, Superman's dead?
REM's Superman?
And that's barely touching it.
In fact, while trying to remember the REM song, I found a list.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/radio/radio.php?topic=r-songs
You'll notice some of those aren't even songs and lyrics from English speaking countries.
Originally posted by Juntaiall this is aside from the point we're talking about here
While we're speaking of Superman's iconhood.
How about other icons supporting him?
Shaq's nickname is Superman, he sports the tatoo on his arm.
Jay Z's new Album is Kingdom Come, and likens his return to rap to Superman's retirement and reemergence, which Supes had considered a mistake, just like Jay.
How about 3 Door's Down hit that put them on the Map? Kryptonite anyone?
The Eminem Song, Superman?
Probably Our Lady Peace's hugest hit, Superman's dead?
REM's Superman?And that's barely touching it.
In fact, while trying to remember the REM song, I found a list.http://www.supermanhomepage.com/radio/radio.php?topic=r-songs
You'll notice some of those aren't even songs and lyrics from English speaking countries.
Originally posted by lando005Really?
all this is aside from the point we're talking about here
Originally posted by lando005
this is the big oneSpider-man vs Superman
This is not a fight i repeat this is not a fight this is to determan who is the better character bigger icon
Originally posted by lando005
i'll agree with you on the good timeing but there was and always would be the risk of both of them failing nothing was set in stone nobody could tell for 100% accuracy what the future might hold, that aside though you present a very strong argument that's hard to go against, so i ask you this if the 2 were to be presented to an indiffrent audieance for the first time how would it turn out? thing is i want to know who would prove the better on a totally even playing field here? your argument about the people at the times is all but flawless and can be depicted as an advantasious situation for superman
Originally posted by leonidas
that's a tough question. you could make a strong case for one or the other by simply checking how their current books are doing relative to each other. that would indicate how the public perceives the characters at the moment.i think currently superman is outselling spidey, but that may not mean if both were brand new that would be the case. i tend to think people would like spidey better personally, but have no real justification for it. readers today (novels and comics) seem to enjoy characters they can relate to better than characters far removed from them, like supes and other cosmics. but your question is really hard to answer.
interesting discussion. 🙂
Originally posted by lando005Did you not read my post? I said I already discussed that with you on previous pages.
this my friend is the heart of the issue here if you want to debate something debate this
What I posted a minute ago was just showing a couple examples of how wide the gap is icon-ship in Supes' favor.
You had originally asked who was the bigger icon, and who affected comics more - the answer to both of those is Superman.
You may have used your "IF" scenario to make an interesting conversation later in the thread-- but it's not what the thread asks for.
Originally posted by Juntaii read your post alright all you did was write them off as "what if" scenarios and refused to validate the question
Did you not read my post? I said I already discussed that with you on previous pages.What I posted a minute ago was just showing a couple examples of how wide the gap is icon-ship in Supes' favor.
Originally posted by lando005It is a "what if" scenario, it's "what if Spiderman existed at the same time as Supes", but that's clearly not the case as Supes has existed longer, and certainly not what you asked for in the beginning of the thread.
i read your post alright all you did was write them off as "what if" scenarios and refused to validate the question
You asked who was the bigger icon, and who had more influence.
Which is Superman.
Your later what if discussion holds little relivence to your own thread besides being an interesting conversation. Its a tangent from the thread's initial purpose.
Now quit trolling your own thread, and speaking as if my posts have no relivence to what's at hand, when MY posts are directly coorelated to the initial post in the thread, which I just pointed out to you a moment ago. While your own, are just off-base tangents.
Originally posted by Juntaiyou feel pretty smugh righ tnow dont you you fogot about the better character part didnt you and that "what if" scenario has everything to do with this you fail to take in to accoutn one vital peice of information superman came first way before anyone else so that would naturally effect his position as an icon what i was suggesting was putting the 2 on a even playing field with no crowd mood advantages for either one of them, again i point this out just mo make it perfectly clear to you if hawkman was the first to be created then he would be the pillar that superman is to day be caus he would have been the measureing stick heroes were put up to you see the logic there of course you would get the position of the best ever if there is none else at the time to compare to he got his title by default
It is a "what if" scenario, it's "what if Spiderman existed at the same time as Supes", but that's clearly not the case as Supes has existed longer, and certainly not what you asked for in the beginning of the thread.You asked who was the bigger icon, and who had more influence.
Which is Superman.Your later what if discussion holds little relivence to your own thread besides being an interesting conversation. Its a tangent from the thread's initial purpose.
Now quit trolling your own thread, and speaking as if my posts have no relivence to what's at hand, when MY posts are directly coorelated to the initial post in the thread, which I just pointed out to you a moment ago. While your own, are just off-base tangents.
Originally posted by lando005
you feel pretty smugh righ tnow dont you you fogot about the better character part didnt you and that "what if" scenario has everything to do with this you fail to take in to accoutn one vital peice of information superman came first way before anyone else so that would naturally effect his position as an icon what i was suggesting was putting the 2 on a even playing field with no crowd mood advantages for either one of them, again i point this out just mo make it perfectly clear to you if hawkman was the first to be created then he would be the pillar that superman is to day be caus he would have been the measureing stick heroes were put up to you see the logic there of course you would get the position of the best ever if there is none else at the time to compare to he got his title by default
Originally posted by Devil Lanceor he could be an example of perserverance to the people i already talked about this superman could just as well been hated by the people because he had a good life there's always the chance that things could have worked out very diffrently nothing was or is set in stone nobody can tell with 100% accuracy what the future of an action will hold that's why i said on an even field with on advantage of the mood of the crowd place the 2 before an indiffrent audiance with absoultly no past exposure to them
Hawkman wouldn't be as popular as Supermna if he was made in that time period.
The reason Supes was so popular during the depression was bcause he provided an esape from the depression whne they read the storie and it gave them hope for a better tommorow.
spiderman would have just reminded them about how much their lives were sucking. 😉
Originally posted by lando005What you suggested has no relivence to this
you feel pretty smugh righ tnow dont you you fogot about the better character part didnt you and that "what if" scenario has everything to do with this you fail to take in to accoutn one vital peice of information superman came first way before anyone else so that would naturally effect his position as an icon what i was suggesting was putting the 2 on a even playing field with no crowd mood advantages for either one of them, again i point this out just mo make it perfectly clear to you if hawkman was the first to be created then he would be the pillar that superman is to day be caus he would have been the measureing stick heroes were put up to you see the logic there of course you would get the position of the best ever if there is none else at the time to compare to he got his title by default
this is the big oneSpider-man vs Superman
This is not a fight i repeat this is not a fight this is to determan who is the better character bigger icon and who has proven to be more importaint and more progressive to comics since their creation both of these flagship characters represent everything their compines worked to perfect for the past 50+ years so who's come out on top?
It doesn't say anything about putting them into hypothetical situations. It's very plain and simple.
The answer is Superman to who's affected comics more. He invented Superhero.
As for who the bigger Icon is? Superman.
Where does your hypothetical crap come into play?
Originally posted by Juntai
What you suggested has no relivence to thisIt doesn't say anything about putting them into hypothetical situations. It's very plain and simple.
The answer is Superman to who's affected comics more. He invented Superhero.
As for who the bigger Icon is? Superman.Where does your hypothetical crap come into play?