Originally posted by 2damnloud
And yet her powers are faster than his and even her OWN thoughts which explains why he was shittin BRICKS when she dorpped that vortex on him.😆
Based on WHAT? Her powers are in fact based on thought (conscious or subconscious) and she thinks just as fast as a normal human being.
Magneto on the other hand thinks 1450% FASTER than humans do.
And her powers have a lag time whereas his do not. His thought IS his action. She has to think about conjuring up winds or lightning, and then having them strike an opponent.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
As soon as she said "lightning is not my most powerful weapon"(paraphrasing), before she even formulated the thought the make the sentence, that vortex was on his ASS. She just threw up her little dainty ass hand and..... Didn't take much effort at all.
Magneto was just standing there talking to her at the time she threw down a hurricane on him.
That doesn't mean her powers work faster than his do in any way, shape, or form. LOGICAL people understand this.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
They've both had each other "on the ropes".
Yeah, and Storm posing as a threat to Magneto is about as believable as her posing a threat to Thor.
Storm loses 10/10 against Erik anyway you look at this.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He needed a Primatene Mist at the point in time
And yet, unshielded he's taken TWO nukes to the face w/o suffering ill effects. 🙂
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3559/magtakespain1fh.jpg
And right afterwards, he took this much energy w/o any shields.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9628/maglightingrodforenergies2bi.jpg
I DARE you to say Storm's winds are stronger than those things. 😐
You fail.
Originally posted by batdude123
SHE attacked first to absolutely no avail.http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg
That's when he countered with this:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg
Plus, molecular control is ALMOST as impressive as atomic control:
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4233/magfusesmetal13lp.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00413fg2.jpgThat's NUCLEAR FUSION right there.
Plus, I've never seen her be able to use her powers on a global scale before:
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg
Batdude that is hardly proof of him being more powerful then phoenix. She can destroy an entire star system with ease and destroy magneto with ease. Those feats have nothig on how powerful the phoenix is, yes he defeated her........No he is not more powerful then her in any form of phoenix.
Someone mentioned psy blocks on jean? are you trying to get over on me? 😉
Originally posted by The Weather God
Batdude that is hardly proof of him being more powerful then phoenix. She can destroy an entire star system with ease and destroy magneto with ease. Those feats have nothig on how powerful the phoenix is, yes he defeated her........No he is not more powerful then her in any form of phoenix.Someone mentioned psy blocks on jean? are you trying to get over on me? 😉
You are aware that a Magneto double known as Quan-Yin Xorn killed Jean Grey during Planet X, right?
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
You are aware that a Magneto double known as Quan-Yin Xorn killed Jean Grey during Planet X, right?
As i said before, killing a person doesn't make them more powerful, it only means that they could kill them with they're powers. I just don't why phoenix could just stop his haert or turn him into shreds like the movie.
Originally posted by The Weather GodYou know very little about other characters.
That meaning?
Originally posted by The Weather GodI think that whoever Marvel conclusively deems an Omega is one, while those not conclusively deemed one are not, despite my own ideas of who should be one:
You think any one mutant can be an omega level mutant.
"The four confirmed Omega mutants are:
Quentin Quire
Elixir
Phoenix
Iceman
An important thing that Elixir shows is that the power does not necessarily have to be destructive/offensive in nature.
If you want to define what should be considered an Omega mutant you should instead consider what the common features are between these four mutants.
Imo defining Omega has two criteria - type of power and potential of power for growth - and both must be fulfilled in order to qualify.
Type of power:
Psionic manipulation of one or more (forms of) components of Marvel reality - matter, energy and consciousness.
Phoenix - matter and energy in general, and consciousness.
Iceman - kinetic energy
Kid Omega - consciousness
Elixir - organic matter, biochemical energetics
Level of power:
Their powers have the potential to expand in such an exponential fashion that their limits - if they do indeed have limits at all - to what they can do with their powers and to what scale they can use them are so far above other mutants that they effectively have no limits when compared to other mutants. The four confirmed Omega's are at different stages in their powers.
Phoenix has achieved her full potential.
Iceman has achieved some of his potential.
Kid Omega has to an extent as well.
Elixir hasn't yet done anything that impressive.
With younger mutants there is more leeway for them to be later revealed as omega mutants. For the old guard I'd say it is unlikely e.g. Xavier is imo a very powerful alpha mutant but not an omega - he's lived about 60 years(?), his powers are pretty much honed to their attainable maximum.
Three of the four have also shown the ability to transcend a corporeal form and exist as a a self-sustaining consciousness that may inhabit inorganic matter and/or energy (with Elixir being the only exception). So the ability to do this as power develops may be a requirement as well. All of the mutants acquired their powers naturally so imo mutants that have been enhanced by technological means should not be considered."
"In the MU not everyone has a relative peak. You could say Jean Grey has peaked as Phoenix, but then her abilites dwarf every other mutants so much that in relation to them her peak is infinity.
From what I understand there are two requisites of being an omega, the nature of the mutant power and the ultimate limitations of the progression of that power.
1) Their mutant power involves the manipulation of energy, time, reality, matter on an atomic scale or a combination of the aforementioned.
2) Omega mutant abilities have unlimited potential to expand to be inconceivably powerful.
The power does not need to necessarily be destructive e.g. Josh Foley/Elixir manipulates organic matter to heal and his abilities have unlimited potential.
Cypher had no limits on his ability to translate languages. Forge theoretically has no limits on what he can build. They would not be considered omegas though.
Magneto can manipulate energy, and is incredibly skilled in the use of his abilities. Elixir manipulates matter, and is not very skilled in the use of his abilities. But Elixir is an omega while Magneto is not because Magneto has peaked while Elixir may never peak in relation to other mutants."
Originally posted by Beta Ray HowardIt's a pretty long thread...
Ah. I may have to check that one out.
It's the best thing to come out of X-books since Morrison's New X-Men. Brubaker's Uncanny and Mike Carey's adjectiveless (despite the Bachalo art) are alright, but they don't compare to Astonishing.
Marvel has a trailer for Whedon/Cassaday's last arc:
http://www.marvel.com/videos/Astonishing_X-Men_Trailer
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You know very little about other characters.
I know enough to know that magneto is not as powerful as phoenix, and that was the dicussion of the white crown phoenix which i know little about.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think that whoever Marvel conclusively deems an Omega is one, while those not conclusively deemed one are not, despite my own ideas of who should be one:"The four confirmed Omega mutants are:
Quentin Quire
Elixir
Phoenix
IcemanAn important thing that Elixir shows is that the power does not necessarily have to be destructive/offensive in nature.
If you want to define what should be considered an Omega mutant you should instead consider what the common features are between these four mutants.Imo defining Omega has two criteria - type of power and potential of power for growth - and both must be fulfilled in order to qualify.
Type of power:
Psionic manipulation of one or more (forms of) components of Marvel reality - matter, energy and consciousness.
Phoenix - matter and energy in general, and consciousness.
Iceman - kinetic energy
Kid Omega - consciousness
Elixir - organic matter, biochemical energeticsLevel of power:
Their powers have the potential to expand in such an exponential fashion that their limits - if they do indeed have limits at all - to what they can do with their powers and to what scale they can use them are so far above other mutants that they effectively have no limits when compared to other mutants. The four confirmed Omega's are at different stages in their powers.
Phoenix has achieved her full potential.
Iceman has achieved some of his potential.
Kid Omega has to an extent as well.
Elixir hasn't yet done anything that impressive.With younger mutants there is more leeway for them to be later revealed as omega mutants. For the old guard I'd say it is unlikely e.g. Xavier is imo a very powerful alpha mutant but not an omega - he's lived about 60 years(?), his powers are pretty much honed to their attainable maximum.
Three of the four have also shown the ability to transcend a corporeal form and exist as a a self-sustaining consciousness that may inhabit inorganic matter and/or energy (with Elixir being the only exception). So the ability to do this as power develops may be a requirement as well. All of the mutants acquired their powers naturally so imo mutants that have been enhanced by technological means should not be considered."
"In the MU not everyone has a relative peak. You could say Jean Grey has peaked as Phoenix, but then her abilites dwarf every other mutants so much that in relation to them her peak is infinity.From what I understand there are two requisites of being an omega, the nature of the mutant power and the ultimate limitations of the progression of that power.
1) Their mutant power involves the manipulation of energy, time, reality, matter on an atomic scale or a combination of the aforementioned.
2) Omega mutant abilities have unlimited potential to expand to be inconceivably powerful.The power does not need to necessarily be destructive e.g. Josh Foley/Elixir manipulates organic matter to heal and his abilities have unlimited potential.
Cypher had no limits on his ability to translate languages. Forge theoretically has no limits on what he can build. They would not be considered omegas though.
Magneto can manipulate energy, and is incredibly skilled in the use of his abilities. Elixir manipulates matter, and is not very skilled in the use of his abilities. But Elixir is an omega while Magneto is not because Magneto has peaked while Elixir may never peak in relation to other mutants."
All of this and i fail to see the difference between storm and iceman once she's in her elemental form, you still argued that storm wouldn't be an omega even if she was an elemental. Evidence proves that storm's powers can practically reach the entire universe and she wouldn't have a limit to how much she could handle, For Ex: in the absorption of stars she could handle because she would be an elemental. Storm was also able to create a costume out of nothing and reassemble them which would be molecule manipulation. Again why would iceman be an omega when storm can do practically everything he can do and more? Storm is only limited to her body, without it she would have limitless potential.
