White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, now to my knowledge, it has never been established that the Phoenix actually gets stronger after every death. The closest thing fitting that description that can be attributed to her is that she becomes more in touch with the force itself(hence the stages of 'Normal Phoenix, Dark Phoenix, White Crown), but the power of the Phoenix Force never really changes.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well so far I've checked

Greek
Roman
Chineese

and nothing about it getting stronger, I still think you have it confused with a super-sayin.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well so far I've checked

Greek
Roman
Chineese

and nothing abotu it getting stronger, I still think you have it confused with a super-sayin.

It sure sounds like it.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
It sure sounds like it.

then stop claiming the phoenix works like one.

Originally posted by lando005
that's really all i was asking about i remember reading something about the mythological phoenix getting a bit stronger after rebirth so i was asking if that was the case was marvel going off of that, the only reason i thought of that was that i remember the animated xmen show had mentioned that and it got me thinking about it...... jeeeze you guys blow everything outta proportion

And I think I know what your talking about on that show. I still don't think they said she got stronger after every death, but I DO remember Jean saying that her power increased every time she used it(of course she was new to the Phoenix Force and still learning her capabilities, so that kinda makes sense).

Originally posted by Ext@nt
then stop claiming the phoenix works like one.

And the awnser is no.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I wasn't trying to blow anything out of proportion, or trying to dis you in any way(if it seemed that way I apologize), I was just clarifying about her different levels of power.

And I think I know what your talking about on that show. I still don't think they said she got stronger after every death, but I DO remember Jean saying that her power increased every time she used it(of course she was new to the Phoenix Force and still learning her capabilities, so that kinda makes sense).

Im not the one who made it difficult, I qouted to you from a university textbook and you still didn't get it. Next time be less stubborn.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Im not the one who made it difficult, I qouted to you from a university textbook and you still didn't get it. Next time be less stubborn.

Still we tried to give you awnsers and you were stubborn. Do your own research and get back to us.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Still we tried to give you awnsers and you were stubborn. Do your own research and get back to us.

Good glad we got that worked out

you shouldnt expect people to just abandon their standpoint on things at the drop of a hat that's just not human nature

I know but I think we proved it very conclusively. But by all means do your own research.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You said you didn't think Wanda had Omniversal wiping out powers, and I just informed you that she did.

i meant that she can't 'consciously' wield the power necessary to wipe out the omniverse. i am NOT contending the power of the wave. but the power to 'call upon the wave as a power' was not something wanda demonstrated.

I would have to lean towards the Wave being more powerful.

agreed.

My bad.

heh. no worries.

I understand what your saying and believe me it makes sense, but my contention is Phoenix can't instantaneously reach light speed, you feel me.

actually i do. and i'm aware of the tenuous nature of the advantage i attribute to phoenix in this case. still, imo it IS an advantage.

She may be able to reach light speed eventually, but since I have never seen Jean or any other Avatar react at anything close to that, I can't take it into consideration.

certainly your perogative. 🙂 i don't think it makes sense to say that her perceptions would necessarily be increasing at a rate to match her speed though. perceptually her brain would already possess the ability to process/react to/receive info at that speed. just to be clear: i'm not calling on a 'speedblitz' but rather a simple 'race in thinking' advantage.

i'll take a look around and see if i can find anything in the nature of more 'typical' speed feats, but i doubt i'll dig anything up.

Phoenix thinking faster than Wanda is still speculative, I believe Jean and the rest of them think at Mutant speeds (whatever that means 😂 )

foiled again by that dreaded mutant thinking speed . . . &^%$#

😄

I don't know about that, Wanda wins this 10/10 without the ftls reflexes in question.

i'll mostly agree and add that i think whoever had first attack would win 10/10. to my thinking, wanda needs a mind to activate her power (which jean could instantly wipe out) and jean couldn't stop wanda from basically rewriting her.

But just based on Power, Wanda takes this 10/10 times even without the Wave.
With control of the Wave like the thread starter specified, what can I say. [/B]

funny thing: i never knew the starter GRANTED her control over the wave. 😮 with that tidbit in place, yes wanda certainly could win 10/10, but still only if she could get off an attack. tenuous or not, i still see the only advantages in a 'who thinks quicker' situation fall to jean.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I know but I think we proved it very conclusively. But by all means do your own research.

Originally posted by leonidas
actually i do. and i'm aware of the tenuous nature of the advantage i attribute to phoenix in this case. still, imo it IS an advantage.

It's only an advantage though if Phoenix can even harm Wanda to the degree of your talking, we mustn't forget that there is NO evidence whatsoever that depict Wanda as vulnerable when aware.

The first arrow Haweye shot her with was a surprise attack while Wanda was being distracted by Dr Strange in more ways than one.

When Hawkeye shot the Second Arrow, Wanda didn't even allow it to reach her.

I'm sure the Speed of that Arrow has to be faster than the Speed of thought, atleast from that distance, I'd give it less than 10 feet, with an Arrow shot by Hawkeye no less.

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first

THIS time... observe the difference.

Also Wanda plucked 16,000,000 Souls out of Death's Realm, this leans towards Wanda being beyond Death

Here Wanda summons 16 Million Souls to forfill her wishes

Xavier confirming the Number

Originally posted by leonidas
certainly your perogative. 🙂 i don't think it makes sense to say that her perceptions would necessarily be increasing at a rate to match her speed though. perceptually her brain would already possess the ability to process/react to/receive info at that speed. just to be clear: i'm not calling on a 'speedblitz' but rather a simple 'race in thinking' advantage.

Perhaps,

but we still haven't conclusively settled whether Phoenix can even harm Wanda.

Originally posted by leonidas
foiled again by that dreaded mutant thinking speed . . . &^%$#
😄

😂

Originally posted by leonidas
wanda needs a mind to activate her power (which jean could instantly wipe out)

Speculative.

Originally posted by leonidas
and jean couldn't stop wanda from basically rewriting her.

That can't be, Wanda can Rewrite on a grander scale.

Remember the 616 Reality being Remade 7 times.

Jean 0 times.

Originally posted by leonidas
funny thing: i never knew the starter GRANTED her control over the wave. 😮 with that tidbit in place, yes wanda certainly could win 10/10,

I agree.

Originally posted by leonidas
but still only if she could get off an attack. tenuous or not, i still see the only advantages in a 'who thinks quicker' situation fall to jean.

Only if Wanda is not indestructible, when the Universe blew up in her face, no one can say she resisted that explosion or she was unaffected because it was her doing the blowing

And I think she's definitely immortal, or simply can't be killed.