Originally posted by juggernaut66666Awesome, what issue?
Phoenix crushed by Onslaught
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3oc7.jpg
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Awesome, what issue?
Phoenix crushed by Onslaught
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3oc7.jpg
LOL. Nice try BUT that was on a the astral plane in which onslaught orchestrated. Jean wasn't even in the phoenix mode. If I remember correctly, he was trying to seduce her to the dark side, hoping she loses self control and releases DP. He was offering her power and showing Jean her past life when she a child and telling her that Charles had loved her more than he should have. It was a set up and you know it. Onslaught would never stand against Phoenix int he real world.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Why is everybody talking about Jean Grey? She is the avatar, but this is about WHITE CROWN PHOENIX, not Jean and all her other incarnations.
0 for 1
Actually, White Crown Phoenix is also an AVATAR, the most powerful Avatar but an Avatar nontheless.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Meggans actions stopped the wave there was no more mention of the wave after that issue!!
Meggan was OVERWHELMED by the Wave within SECONDS, what the hell are you talking about.
AND let's forget that she harnessed the Power of the Beyonders to be able to slow it down for a FEW Seconds.
"Only She can claim the Pan-Dimensional Power of the Beyond for her own"
"Knows that by her side, ALL things are possible"
"Until He sees what she's up against"
Captain Britain, and Betsy hold the Breach together while Rachel seals it
The Chaos Wave finally hits the Breach, but the seal holds.
Actually the Omni-verse kicks into action and seals the Breach completely
"the Cosmos is Healing itself before our very eyes"
AND it was the Omni-verse, since it was the Omni-verse that was affected, it was the Omni-verse that healed the damage.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Wanda recreated 616 earth, the chaoswave was wiping out earths, not everything, after the wave she was only mucking with reality on a global scale.
I think you better start picking up Comics, your 0 for 2 so far.
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" AGAIN!
Oh, and as for the Wave only "wiping out Earths"
"The Foundation and Structure of our existence, totally stripped away"
"No more coherence to Causality, Chaos Beyond the comprehension of any Sentience, No matter how Grandiose it's opinion of itself"
"And this is just the beginning"
"ALL the dimensions there are CRASHED into One"
READ COMICS!!!
Originally posted by LordKaos
We should all stop posting WCP against anybody, it will always end never. There is no force in marvel greater than the Phoenix,
Just 0...
hysterical2
Not worth a response.
Originally posted by LordKaos
When white crown Phoenix held that universe, there was nothing that said it was symbolic, it said and showed her holding a universe from the center of creation.
0 for 3
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?
What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
Fine.....Now WHAT does that mean?....Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.
AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
Phoenix asked, "but what's that supposed to mean?"
AFTER She was told it's a "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
Now, it TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
Is it saying,
"This Universe needs to be Fixed in anyway?" NO!
"This Universe is injured or damaged and needs to be repaired?" NO!
"This Universe needs a Future? NO!
So WHAT does it SAY WHEN Jean ASKED "but what's that supposed to mean?"
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
(This is the OUTCOME of Here Comes Tomorrow)
THIS....(the FUTURE THAT IS NOW) The events of Here Comes Tomorrow like Grant Morrison said.
NOW, to Change that OUTCOME, Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.
AM I LYING?
Here is GRANT MORRISON'S and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.
Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.
She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma
In order to PREVENT the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"
AND,
the Centerpoint of Creation has NOTHING to do with Phoenix
Nice Try.
Originally posted by LordKaos
just ask Reed Richards whom some of you think created the universe (so he can beat wanda and eternity too right?)
Reed Richards Destroyed and RE-CREATED the MULTI-VERSE On Panel with the Ultimate Nullifier.
White Crown Phoenix hase never even Remade a SINGLE Universe and you want to make her the greatest force in Marvel. LOL
Originally posted by LordKaos
Remember he also attributed the big bang to the Phoenix or whatever you want to call it.
No one is doubting that the Phoenix Force in it's NATURAL STATE, is the SPARK that ignites the Big Bang, Jean (White Phoenix of the Crown) has absolutely NOTHING to do with that.
Originally posted by LordKaos
The abstracts (the LV included) gave homage to the Phoenix, is it because Phoenix is mostly female?
No that would be do your delusion.
Originally posted by LordKaos
If it was superman he'd beat the hell out of wanda right?
More comedy.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Everything I've seen shows me that the people who are totally against Phoenix are simply against Phoenix, all others have not been on either side, they just want valid proof (other than post after tired post of the same thing) that Wanda is better, you can't prove it because it's not true.
Well I tell ya,
I know for a FACT, that you CAN'T prove in this day or any,
ANY version of Phoenix, Destroying, Remaking or Creating a Universe On Panel.
Originally posted by LordKaos
Roma and Merlyn are the self proclaimed guardians of something that Feron used the Phoenix force to create, there would be no Omniversal matrix unless the Phoenix projected the lighthouse throughout the omniverse, if that's not an omniversal feat what is?
😆 --------- I guess this is 0 for 5
VIA the Multi-verse Interface Alignment but, who's counting.
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged... to Create an Energy Matrix."
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN... and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...
AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",
a less than monumental feat... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.
Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.
AND it was MULTIVERSAL, NOT even close to Omniversal.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Phoenix crushed by Onslaught
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3oc7.jpg
So Onslaught is more powerful than White Phoenix of the Crown?
No, seriously, now tell me, do you really think that Onslaught is more powerful than White Phoenix of the Crown?
Originally posted by leonidas
wanda MAY possess the power to wipe out phoenix (though i don't believe she has omniversal-wipe out powers at her finger-tips
Wanda created the Chaos Wave, so actually she does have Omniversal wipe out powers, but Wanda couldn't control that part of her power.
And in any case, the Wave doesn't just blink everything away, it spills over into other Realities, like the Mkraan Crystal.
The difference is, left unchecked the Crystal collapses a Multi-verse, while the Wave collapses the Omni-verse entire
Originally posted by leonidas
i am well aware that many 'lesser powers' have taken her out)
You say many, name ONE, that did during HOM.
Originally posted by leonidas
but given as this comes down to wanda versus a very experienced telepath who can and has processed info at ftl speeds, and it comes down to who would be able to 'think' faster, i'd still give the edge to phoenix.
Your still claiming she can process ftl speed info, until there's proof, I can't buy that.
There's only proof to the contrary.
If you want Scans I got em, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Sweet! 😆
Phoenix crushed by Onslaught
http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3oc7.jpg
Originally posted by LordKaos
this is about WHITE CROWN PHOENIX, We should all stop posting WCP against anybody, it will always end never. There is no force in marvel greater than the Phoenix,
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, " You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
Rachel is unique, (because she is Jean Grey's Daughter)
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE is controlled by Rachel Summers
Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred from another Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)
Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Quasar
Quasar holding his own against Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE, AND Mordred, while protecting Nightcrawler, Meggan and Captain Britain
The Phoenix Force RIPPED from it's own Universe beyond Space and Time.
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE again is manipulated
"an Ancient Crippled Alien Construct brought the PHOENIX FORCE here by WRENCHING it through the Space/Time Continuum from ITS NATIVE UNIVERSE"
A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL) are sent to battle the PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR)
"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH
AND they're STILL holding their own
Amber Hunt & Gate tear a Hole through Time & Space,
The Six Guardians BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
The Phoenix Force ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the PHOENIX FORCE with an Electromagnetic Pulse
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda created the Chaos Wave, so actually she does have Omniversal wipe out powers, but Wanda couldn't control that part of her power.
those powers are hardly readily exploitable in this battle, and as they can't be controlled they don't really matter anyway. not sure why you brought the crystal up. both seem to have the ability to take out the other, so it boils down to who gets in the first shot.
You say many, name ONE, that did during HOM.
the "her" i was referring to being taken out by lesser powers was phoenix, not wanda.
Your still claiming she can process ftl speed info, until there's proof, I can't buy that.
There's only proof to the contrary.
If you want Scans I got em, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. [/B]
i doubt there are scans showing her doing superspeed feats of the type you are looking for (this is what gs is good for. 😬 ) . i said i based my supposition on nothing more nthan her being able to move and react while travelling at ftl. realistically, that would equate to her being able to process info much faster than a regular person. that's why i said quicksilver would also have the advantage in my mind.
she's had experience (even if only in flight) processing info (even if only perceptual) at superspeed and is a highly experienced telepath.
in a battle of who could think faster i'd go with phoenix based on these things because wanda has no advantages at all. wanda also wasn't in her right mind wielding this level of power, and has had some mental issues in the past (her 'children', chthon's screwing with her, etc . . .)
neither one may be the most mentally stable of individuals, but wanda is likely the more screwed up mentally (overall) of the 2. and in this case, any slight advantage to either would be enough to get the other the win imo.
