Originally posted by lando005
i just thought about something and correct me if i'm wrong but phoenix like all phoenixes always regenerates from death correct?... also is it still true that every time she is reborn she becomes stronger?
Eh...isn't that Dragonball Z?
Originally posted by leonidas
it's a fair question, ec, but when acting in her role as the white phoenix, is it not fair to say jean becomes . . . elevated in status? i'd thought the lines between jean and phoenix (in this incarnation in particular) blurred to say the least.that said, you may well be correct in assuming that jean's reactions wouldn't be elevated (though in lesser forms she has transcended light speed which should say more than enough about her ability to react and process thought at speeds that exceed a 'regular' human's) but even assuming their reactions ARE the same, it comes down to a dice roll as i initially said, as opposed to this being anything LIKE a straight and easy win for wanda.
and extant, did you just compare the white crown phoenix with . . . hawkeye . . .? 🙁
Well...put again...and I know what I'm going to say next is just speculation an all...but when she was a lesser avatar couldn't her Cosmic Awareness(The Phoenix Consciousness) help her in maneuvering at those speeds ? Like it warns her when there are obstructions ahead?
See the thing is the Phoenix has faced off with mortals before(Xavier, Emma, Magneto etc)...and the Phoenix has never been shown to have a speed advantage....a huge power advantage..but not a speed advantage....and it's not just Jean...it's all it's avatars....Rachel included and that Shiar Phoenix included....this even applies to Kid Omega, Emma, the Cuckoos to a degree..
I think like you said a dice roll is a more accurate intepretation of this fight....
Originally posted by leonidas
those powers are hardly readily exploitable in this battle, and as they can't be controlled they don't really matter anyway.
You brought it up, so I responded to it.
You said you didn't think Wanda had Omniversal wiping out powers, and I just informed you that she did.
That's why I brought up the Crystal, as a referrence as to how the Wave and the Crystal work similarly, just that the Crystal reaches as far as the Multi-verse, while the Wave can reach the entire Omni-verse and Possibly Beyond. (the so called Ascention)
Originally posted by leonidas
not sure why you brought the crystal up. both seem to have the ability to take out the other, so it boils down to who gets in the first shot.
I would have to lean towards the Wave being more powerful.
The Crystal is a Multiversal destroyer.
The Wave is an Omniversal destroyer and perhaps beyond that according to Roma.
If the breach is not sealed, "the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"
Originally posted by leonidas
the "her" i was referring to being taken out by lesser powers was phoenix, not wanda.
My bad.
Originally posted by leonidas
i said i based my supposition on nothing more nthan her being able to move and react while travelling at ftl. realistically, that would equate to her being able to process info much faster than a regular person. that's why i said quicksilver would also have the advantage in my mind.
she's had experience (even if only in flight) processing info (even if only perceptual) at superspeed and is a highly experienced telepath.
I understand what your saying and believe me it makes sense, but my contention is Phoenix can't instantaneously reach light speed, you feel me.
She may be able to reach light speed eventually, but since I have never seen Jean or any other Avatar react at anything close to that, I can't take it into consideration.
Originally posted by leonidas
in a battle of who could think faster i'd go with phoenix based on these things because wanda has no advantages at all. wanda also wasn't in her right mind wielding this level of power, and has had some mental issues in the past (her 'children', chthon's screwing with her, etc . .
Phoenix thinking faster than Wanda is still speculative, I believe Jean and the rest of them think at Mutant speeds (whatever that means 😂 )
Originally posted by leonidas
neither one may be the most mentally stable of individuals, but wanda is likely the more screwed up mentally (overall) of the 2.
I agree.
Originally posted by leonidas
and in this case, any slight advantage to either would be enough to get the other the win imo.
I don't know about that, Wanda wins this 10/10 without the ftls reflexes in question.
Whether or not she would survive that, we just don't know.
But just based on Power, Wanda takes this 10/10 times even without the Wave.
With control of the Wave like the thread starter specified, what can I say.
Originally posted by lando005
i just thought about something and correct me if i'm wrong but phoenix like all phoenixes always regenerates from death correct?...
She just hasn't been erased before, but any Abstract or essential Force can be rubbed out of existence by the Ultimate Nullifier or any other who's powerful enouhg.
Universal DEATH getting ERASED
Thanos with the Ultimate Nullifier, erases Death
ETERNITY (the embodiment of Universe) getting ERASED
MULTI-DEATH
Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse
Originally posted by lando005
also is it still true that every time she is reborn she becomes stronger?
No,
That's a fantasy placed inside of KMC by someone. (no pun intended)
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
This is not Harry Potter 😐
Originally posted by lando005
i'm not even going to go there... every story or ledgend of any phoenix i have ever heard has both of these same element in them phoenix is always reborn after death more powerful than it was before and marvel's phoenix is still based off of this legend correct so it is a ligetiment topic
Originally posted by lando005
i'm not even going to go there... every story or ledgend of any phoenix i have ever heard has both of these same element in them phoenix is always reborn after death more powerful than it was before and marvel's phoenix is still based off of this legend correct so it is a ligetiment topic
Okay small tip, advocating Harry Potter as canon material is worse then being a Phoenix Faboy, your on shaky ground here.
Originally posted by Ext@ntnobody's saying anything about harry potter all i'm saying is that marvel based the phoenix in the comics off the one of legend right? and we all know she always comes back from the dead sooner or later so does the other have of that legend apply simple yes or no question
Okay small tip, advocating Harry Potter as canon material is worse then being a Phoenix Faboy, your on shaky ground here.
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Your wrong I have a book of mythology and it says nothing about the Phoenix comming back stronger then when it died.Your prolly thinking of Dragonball Z.
Still your really only making a fool of yourself at this point.
Wait, now to my knowledge, it has never been established that the Phoenix actually gets stronger after every death. The closest thing fitting that description that can be attributed to her is that she becomes more in touch with the force itself(hence the stages of 'Normal Phoenix, Dark Phoenix, White Crown), but the power of the Phoenix Force never really changes.
Originally posted by Ext@nti'm looking for the quote i was going off of right now i could tell you this though the quote i was useing was about suzaku a phoenix like i said i could be wrong but i DO remember reading about it somewhere about a mythological phoenix and no it's nothing fictional
"In Greek and Roman mythology, the phoenix is a bird that every 500 years is consumed in a pyre of flame and then is reborn from the ashes as it was before and the cycle is repeated."That is a qoute from a universty textbook.
