White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by manjaro
the only way she can immediately threaten the cosmos, is if she destroys the M'kraan crsytal, which im sure you know is the nexus of all realities..

The Nexux of ALL Realities has NOTHING to do with the Mkraan Crystal according to Jim Starlin

Thanos travelling to the Nexus of Realities

He traverses many Universes

"I am Thanos....a unique being in Any Reality"

"The Nexus of Reality from HERE Springs ALL That Is."

In the X-Men World it may be, but NOT to THE Prime TITLES that involve COSMICS.

Originally posted by manjaro
if you think that the PF cant destroy a universe then you have serious problems my friend

"I got problems"?

Your problem right now is to find an issue, just ONE, WHERE Phoenix either Derstroys, Remakes or Creates just ONE UNIVERSE.

Otherwise, again, GO READ COMICS.

Originally posted by manjaro
like i said before debating is cool but dont try to manipulate choice scans to bolster your argument, ppl have accused me of a lot of things , but never that i dont read enuff comics

"manipulating scans"

And like I said before, GO READ COMICS!

Originally posted by manjaro
this is not a retaliation on my part we're just trying to get things straight here so just be cool..

Be cool my foot.

Your trying to say I'm being deceptive cause your ignorant about the subject at hand.

Originally posted by manjaro
lastly you may not rate the Phoenix but she does have universal destructive power,

I CHALLENGE you to find just ONE issue where Phoenix Destroys a Universe.

You expect me not to tell you to GO READ COMICS, when your making FALSE Claims about the Phoenix.

Originally posted by manjaro
in the same Dark phoenix saga she destroyed an entire solar system just like that..as if it was nothing.. im sure if she focused her energies a whole galaxy or even a universe woudlnt be too far behind...

Not too far at all.

About 4 to 500 BILLION or so Galaxies in a Universe. 😆

Originally posted by manjaro
Phoenix on the other hand
can just lash out with its power in one broad stroke and f **** shit
royally,

More FALSE Claims,

WHERE and WHEN has Phoenix EVER Destroyed, Remade or Created a Universe?

Tell me the issue, I have every X-Men title ever, I have every Excalibur title ever,

I'll even post it for you.

Originally posted by manjaro
and if the Phoenix destroys the Mkraan crystal

If Phoenix gets close to N-Galaxy (which is what Destroys, NOT the Crystal) Phoenix gets ERASED

Originally posted by manjaro
so long story short a full chaos powered Wanda was just bumped up to the Phoenix's level at best..

Wanda WITHOUT the Chaos Wave is FAR BEYOND Phoenix.

Because Phoenix has NEVER Destroyed, Remade or Created a Universe On Panel.

Wanda Re-Created Eternity (616 REALITY) ON PANEL

Originally posted by manjaro
so i say its a stalemate

So I say READ COMICS

the fact that layla miller could see through HoM implies that at least a portion of wanda's power was illusory, similar to the beyonder retcon.

and i did read all of those scans, my interpretation that the x-men's "life force" was really just to give jean something to fight for (so to speak) is exactly as valid as your interpretation the somehow storm, corsair etc. have enough power to make ANY impact on a neutron galaxy.

it's not like your interpretation is conclusive; that might actually be your debating weak point. you fail to acknowledge perfectly valid interpretations simply because your (equally) valid interpretation doesn't match.

dude simply put i dont feel like writing another essay, i think you need to relax dude..#1 these are just comics and you're just trying to pick fights here now.... man please, Wanda had one little run in the sun and all of a sudden She can take on the Phoenix? yeah right😆.you provided a whole gaggle of scans that really dont mean anything at all..so you're saying that the M'kraan Crystal ISNT a nexus for all realities and i just made the whole thing up right?😄

so when D'ken tried to harness the energies of the crystal for his personal use and it almost cuased the destruction of the universe, and jean had to enter it to repair the damage, or else the universe was done for i guess that didnt happen either huh? yep....destroying the M'kraan crystal will have no effect on the universe at all 😉

there arent any scans of PF destroying a universe.. but erasing an entire timeline in "here comes tomorrow" so that scott could be happy definately counts as remaking one.the PF doesnt destroy universe all willy nilly its fucntion is to maintain a balance and make sure life in the universe is cyclical. it will only destroy a part of or a whole universe when it needs to, and so far it hasnt

i mean for f ****'s sake wanda with her chaos wave would have trouble with the reg. phoenix let alone the Phoenix of the White Crown--in its purest and most powerful form, and free of human influence. Wanda has had her run and good for her, but if you think she's a match for the Phoenix you're deluding yourself...when i said stalemate i was being generous....."go read comics" that actually made laugh.

Originally posted by leonidas
proof of extant's keen debating prowess and tremendous and informative additions to this thread:

😆

in an instant, eh? is that why roma et al,. had TONS of time to formulate a plan to stop the wave? hmm?

hysterical

so do you STILL claim she can control the wave, genius? look back at the thread and see how many people agree with you that she can control the wave. gs, masters and myself may not agree on much, but even all THREE of agree she CANNOT control the wave. incidentally, if you could find the scan that SHOWS wanda VOLUNTARILY releasing the chaos wave, that would be cool, because it has never been shown in this thread -- i looked through it and you have claimed repeatedly that is DOES exist and that it HAS been shown.

so i guess that makes you utterly wrong in one case, and a liar in another because as i said, you claimed that the scans existed that showed her releasing the wave.

to recap: extant claims that wanda VOLUNTARILY released the wave (and claims there are scans to back this up) AND claims that she has control over the wave. to such a dgree apparently that she can . . . ( 😂 ) wipe out the MULTIVERSE instantaneously.

but WE'RE all living in a delusion and know nothing. 🙄

aside from insults and a lifetime's worth of stupidity, you've brought nothing to this (or as far as i can see ANY) thread. not one single scan, not one single proposition that was not ALREADY put forth by someone else -- and even then you don't copy the RIGHT ideas!! hhahahahahha!!!

in a word extant, you are pitiful. good for a laugh because your level of idiocy is not easily attainable and should be appreciated in and of itself for what it is, but pitiful nonetheless.

for the umpteenth time: shut the hell up, sycophant.

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Originally posted by manorastroman
you do realize "the power of her friends" was just moral support, right?

He knows it really he's just being stubborn. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

Anyone with common sense can see that even if the X-men were giving raw power that, thats irrelevant given that Phoenix was doing 99% of the work.

Since when do, Storm and Corsair (HUMAN!!!) have significant cosmic power? 🙄

I thought that was end a long time ago about Wanda creating a wave. Of course she didn't and I think everyone knows that except Mr Master and some...

Originally posted by Xplosive
I thought that was end a long time ago about Wanda creating a wave. Of course she didn't and I think everyone knows that except Mr Master and some...

Next week im gonna create a thread dealing with each of the issues Mr Master has been disputing.

1) M'kraan crystal event

2) X-men forever

3) White Hot Room incident

4) Chaos wave.

Right now whats happening is we'll debate one of these issues somebody will get stumped and instead of them conceding, they either continually repost their defeated opinion over and over or they move on to another one of the issues listed.

All of these issues have been dealt with, but because im not on the forums as much as i used to be someone has the oppurtunity to post their propaganda daily and at every turn. 🙂

Im not gonna let that happen. We will deal with these issues once and for all. Each of them i'll open a thread for, but only one at a time and i'll move on when one side has admitted defeat.

Join me in the thread

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Next week im gonna create a thread dealing with each of the issues Mr Master has been disputing.

1) M'kraan crystal event

2) X-men forever

3) White Hot Room incident

4) Chaos wave.

Right now whats happening is we'll debate one of these issues somebody will get stumped and instead of them conceding, they either continually repost their defeated opinion over and over or they move on to another one of the issues listed.

All of these issues have been dealt with, but because im not on the forums as much as i used to be someone has the oppurtunity to post their propaganda daily and at every turn. 🙂

Im not gonna let that happen. We will deal with these issues once and for all. Each of them i'll open a thread for, but only one at a time and i'll move on when one side has admitted defeat.

Join me in the thread

this oughtta be good . . .

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Originally posted by leonidas
this oughtta be good . . .

😄

It will be.

I hope to see you there to!! 😄

I'll send you some background reading material if you want 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Join me in the thread

Of course I will.

Originally posted by manorastroman
the fact that layla miller could see through HoM implies that at least a portion of wanda's power was illusory, similar to the beyonder retcon.

Precisely what i said to him yesterday. Wanda less remade reality and more glossed over it with her own vision. Thats less impressive 👇

Wanda only changed peoples perception of reality. The fact that Layla Miller could pierce this veil Wanda erected and see the proper 616 reality through it illustrates that point. ✅

Originally posted by Xplosive
Of course I will.

Cool.

I'll PM you when i make it.

Im gonna do a thread for each issue and i wont move on to another issue until one side admits theyre stumped and concedes. That way theres no oppurtunity for issues to be avoided like they have been for the past few months. 😄

PM me if you need any of the relevant issues so you can make up your own mind. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely what i said to him yesterday. Wanda less remade reality and more glossed over it with her own vision. Thats less impressive 👇

Wanda only changed peoples perception of reality. The fact that Layla Miller could pierce this veil Wanda erected and see the proper 616 reality through it illustrates that point. ✅

Originally posted by manjaro
ergo illusion ergo poor man's cosmic cube

😂

At least Phoenix manipulated the very matter of reality itself and with no discernible effort. She materialized the 616 universe atom by atom into the palm of her hand in the white hot room. Thats way beyond Wanda glossing over reality.

The fact that she can do that makes the argument that she hasnt on panel destroyed or created a reality irrelevant. If you can do that then its fallacious to argue she couldnt destroy a universe quite easily. If she can materialize a universe atom by atom intact within the palm of her hand then its fallacious to argue that she couldnt quite easily create a universe with sufficient matter at hand.

Logan came to the same conclusion and Phoenix basically said yes but thats not how she works:

She has a cosmic destiny she must see through. You dont see LT going around destroying or creating universes, but noone doubts his power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At least Phoenix manipulated the very matter of reality itself and with no discernible effort. She materialized the 616 universe atom by atom into the palm of her hand in the white hot room. Thats way beyond Wanda glossing over reality.

The fact that she can do that makes the argument that she hasnt on panel destroyed or created a reality irrelevant. If you can do that then its fallacious to argue she couldnt destroy a universe quite easily. If she can materialize a universe atom by atom intact within the palm of her hand then its fallacious to argue that she couldnt quite easily create a universe with sufficient matter at hand.

Logan came to the same conclusion and Phoenix basically said yes but thats not how she works:

She has a cosmic destiny she must see through. You dont see LT going around destroying or creating universes, but noone doubts his power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At least Phoenix manipulated the very matter of reality itself and with no discernible effort. She materialized the 616 universe atom by atom into the palm of her hand in the white hot room. Thats way beyond Wanda glossing over reality.

The fact that she can do that makes the argument that she hasnt on panel destroyed or created a reality irrelevant. If you can do that then its fallacious to argue she couldnt destroy a universe quite easily. If she can materialize a universe atom by atom intact within the palm of her hand then its fallacious to argue that she couldnt quite easily create a universe with sufficient matter at hand.

Logan came to the same conclusion and Phoenix basically said yes but thats not how she works:

She has a cosmic destiny she must see through. You dont see LT going around destroying or creating universes, but noone doubts his power.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Maybe because he judges over multi-versal villains and re-created the abstracts and turned of the IG with a gesture

And the Phoenix has high level avatars operating in realities across the multiverse whilst simultaneously being able to power Jean to materialize the 616 universe within the white hot room atom by atom.

LT never recreated the abstracts. Thats what Mr Master said. The abstracts werent destroyed in Adams Warlocks outburst. They were thrown back and LT restored order by cancelling out the blast.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
from Where did you get that it was the 616 Universe? and from where did you get that that she materialized it atom by atom?

That scan is from New X-men 148, just before the start of Here Comes Tomorrow Saga.

Jean was told to treat the patient in the hospital/White Hot Room. When she got there she held out her hand and the Consciousness says controlling all of those atoms isnt as easy as it sounds. Over the panels something materializes in Jeans hand. Something we're told is the universe.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
where did you get that that she materialized it atom by atom?