Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Where did you get that it was the 616 Universe? and from where did you get that that she materialized it atom by atom?
Ive just told you. She is shown materializing the 616 universe in the palm of her hand over the panels, going from a few globules to a more complex energy mass and the Consciousness states that controlling all of those atoms isnt as easy as it sounds before telling readers its the universe she materialized.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It will be.I hope to see you there to!! 😄
I'll send you some background reading material if you want 🙂
you kidding?? i wouldn't miss THIS for the world!!
😆 😆
msn later tonight (before it gets too late) and i'll let you know what i'd like to see. 🙂
no luck on that neural jumpstart, eh? apparently it was around the time of psylocke and jean's power switch??
REALLY frustrating that i can't find out more about it. i'm not even sure it is relevant to what i was saying earlier, but it's turned into a principle thing now and i just want to find it!!
Originally posted by manorastroman
the fact that layla miller could see through HoM implies that at least a portion of wanda's power was illusory,
Layla didn't see through it, Layla was able to see that Reality had CHANGED!
Layla was CREATED by WANDA as her personal PLOT DEVICE.
Wanda Created Layla Miller
This isn't the original Layla Miller, it' a creation of Wanda's
The Original Layla is a psychic, Wanda's Layla is operating with whole New Power
"Your Psychic Powers, are psychic but Not psychic, Not like anything I've ever seen"
"Girly WHAT are you?"....."She AIN'T Human"
"I never felt anything like that"....."None of us have"
You GS socks need to GO READ COMICS!!!!
Originally posted by manorastroman
and i did read all of those scans, my interpretation that the x-men's "life force" was really just to give jean something to fight for (so to speak)
I'm NOT "SORT of SPEAKING" Like YOU,
MY Post is WORD for WORD from the ISSUE.
GO READ COMICS SOCK
Originally posted by manorastroman
it's not like your interpretation is conclusive; that might actually be your debating weak point. you fail to acknowledge perfectly valid interpretations
Your WEAK Point is ATTEMPTING to TWIST the On Panel EVIDENCE, to suit your TOTAL IGNORANCE on the matter.
Here Phoenix TRIES to FIX the Lattice ALONE
Do you SEE SOCK, "IT's NO WHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH"
IN FACT, the Neutron Galaxy was KILLING the B*TCH
"Moral support"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
GO READ COMICS SOCK
"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"
ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.
GO READ COMICS GS SOCK!!!
"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"
Does that say the POWER of Her FRIENDS or the Moral Support of her Friends?
"XAVIER its CROWN and COLOSSUS its BASE"
"EACH X-MAN HAS a PLACE, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself"
SO ACCORDING to the ISSUE itself, Straight from the WRITER'S Mouth.
XAVIER, COLOSSUS, WOLVERINE, KORSAIR, BANSHEE, CYCLOPS, STORM, and NIGHTCRAWLER, ALL GAVE their LIFE-FORCE to HELP Jean Knit the Lattice Back Together.
WHY should I take your words over what the Comic says?
GO READ COMICS!!!
see what i mean? your interpretation that somehow those x-men have enough power to do jack to a neutron galaxy fits...but so does mine that they were just anchoring her with their love. especially considering that phoenix should already command hundreds of times the power of their life-force, being that the phoenix wields life energy of those yet to be born.
my, you do get up in a fuss.
i will admit i did not bye any HOM crossovers, but i do own the 1-8 issues,and avengers dissasembled and a couple of other dissasembled tie ins, HOM wanda needed xavier, before it starts it is revealed that pietro convinced wanda to use xavier to give everyone what they desire,as far as i am concerned up to the end she has xavier under wraps,and she NEEDED him
avengers dissasembled and HOM does that make her svfl i have never seen her amped like this or is it just plot?
i hear they are bringing onslaught back i would not be surprised if they tie them together-she was the only MUTANT to enter onslaught? reed states that her hex aura should protect her,but a major side to destroying onslaught is that no mutant can enter him at the end when he is energy,it would give him a reason(way) to live.
i think we havent gotten the low down on her, but according to the rules this is just a fraction of her time as a character for marvel so can we really use her stunts? heres what the rules say:
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings
why the big debate then all i see are phoenix haters,i like the phoenix but by no means am i a fanboy i just dont think wanda will win
Originally posted by starlock
i will admit i did not bye any HOM crossovers, but i do own the 1-8 issues,and avengers dissasembled and a couple of other dissasembled tie ins, HOM wanda needed xavier, before it starts it is revealed that pietro convinced wanda to use xavier to give everyone what they desire,as far as i am concerned up to the end she has xavier under wraps,and she NEEDED himavengers dissasembled and HOM does that make her svfl i have never seen her amped like this or is it just plot?
i hear they are bringing onslaught back i would not be surprised if they tie them together-she was the only MUTANT to enter onslaught? reed states that her hex aura should protect her,but a major side to destroying onslaught is that no mutant can enter him at the end when he is energy,it would give him a reason(way) to live.
i think we havent gotten the low down on her, but according to the rules this is just a fraction of her time as a character for marvel so can we really use her stunts? heres what the rules say:
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings
why the big debate then all i see are phoenix haters,i like the phoenix but by no means am i a fanboy i just dont think wanda will win
sorry pally, but since you think phoenix wins, you are, by basis of your "very ludicrous" opinion, going to be labelled a phoenix fanboy.
welcome to the club 😄 a club which actually seems to be growing . . .
😖hifty:
Originally posted by manjaro
you provided a whole gaggle of scans that really dont mean anything at all..
Your only providing your MEANINGLESS Opinions, I pump PROOF.
Originally posted by manjaro
so you're saying that the M'kraan Crystal ISNT a nexus for all realities and i just made the whole thing up right?
I never said your making it up,
I clearly said NOT ACCORDING to JIM STARLIN!
You know, the guy who is the premiere WORD on COSMICS.
JIM utilizes ALL the COSMICS and does what he wants with them., Morrison and other X-Men Writers ONLY deal with Phoenix.
It's easy to be king of the Universe when you have NO competition except for, SHIAR warriors and the X-Men opposing you. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
"The Nexus of Reality from HERE Springs ALL That Is."
Originally posted by manjaro
so when D'ken tried to harness the energies of the crystal for his personal use and it almost cuased the destruction of the universe, and jean had to enter it to repair the damage, or else the universe was done for i guess that didnt happen either huh?
Is this HOM Wanda vs White Phoenix?
Or HOM Wanda vs the Mkraan Crystal?
Originally posted by manjaro
yep....destroying the M'kraan crystal will have no effect on the universe at all
Exactly, because the second Jean gets close to the Neutron Galaxy, she DIES.
Originally posted by manjaro
there arent any scans of PF destroying a universe.. but erasing an entire timeline in "here comes tomorrow" so that scott could be happy definately counts as remaking one.
Unfortunately she did NO such thing.
Jean amputated a Timeline to DISINFECT it, (erasing Sublime) but she NEVER CHANGED the EVENTS of Here Comes Tomorrow by doing so.
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future?"
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)
Did she not just ask, "is this the Future?"
And was she not just responded to with, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it?"
NOW:
It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point EVIDENTLY.
Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died),
DIDN'T DESERVE WHAT?
THIS....(the FUTURE THAT IS NOW) The events of Here Comes Tomorrow like Grant Morrison said.
WHEN Phoenix Amputated the Future it was only to DISINFECT the Future
Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"
Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"
We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed,
but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.
(hence the Future THAT is NOW, is STILL, Here Comes Tomorrow)
In Fact, all Jean did was damage the Future (Here Comes Tomorrow)...
Jean then REPAIRS that Future that she Damaged Atom by Atom, but this NEVER CHANGES the events of Here Comes Tomorrow.
OK NOW THIS is WHERE Jean is REPAIRING the FUTURE she damage while DISINFECTING it.
It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot
This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired,
The "the Claw" takes the Future into the "HOSPITAL, White Hot Room"
As You Can SEE, around the Pink Crystal Power is Flowing, that's Phoenix REPAIRING the FUTURE
THEN
Jean loses concentration "IN THERE" (Inside the White Hot Room) and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE QUICKLY"
"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉
MAKE BETTER WHAT?
FUTURE!!!
HOW can Phoenix be INSIDE the White Hot Room, while being clearly OUTSIDE it when she says, "LOST CONCENTRATION IN THERE"?
The White Hot Room, is the HEART of the Phoenix, that's HOW:
continues in the next post...
continues...
To ALTAR the Future, WHAT does Jean do?
Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.
AM I LYING?
Here is GRANT MORRISON'S and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.
This is from the Last Page, the Questionnaires addressed to the WRITERS in issue #155
Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.
She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma
So INSTEAD of THIS Ending:
We NOW have THIS Ending:
In order to PREVENT the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"
Originally posted by manjaro
the PF doesnt destroy universe all willy nilly its fucntion is to maintain a balance
Interesting,
swore that was the Living Tribunal's job.
Originally posted by manjaro
it will only destroy a part of or a whole universe when it needs to, and so far it hasnt
On this we agree,
So far, it NEVER has destroyed a legitament Universe On Panel
Yea, the Phoenix Force has only been around since 1977, perhaps one day it will. LOL...
Originally posted by manjaro
i mean for f ****'s sake wanda with her chaos wave would have trouble with the reg. phoenix let alone the Phoenix of the White Crown--in its purest and most powerful form, and free of human influence. Wanda has had her run and good for her, but if you think she's a match for the Phoenix you're deluding yourself...when i said stalemate i was being generous....
Gibberish.
Originally posted by manorastroman
see what i mean? your interpretation that somehow those x-men have enough power to do jack to a neutron galaxy fits...but so does mine that they were just anchoring her with their love. especially considering that phoenix should already command hundreds of times the power of their life-force, being that the phoenix wields life energy of those yet to be born.
firefirefireph
You'll be ignored from now on, your not debating, your simply posting gibberish, and your willfully ignoring On Panel artistic representation and character and Writer statements.
Be gone my child.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That scan is from New X-men 148, just before the start of Here Comes Tomorrow Saga.Jean was told to treat the patient in the hospital/White Hot Room. When she got there she held out her hand and the Consciousness says controlling all of those atoms isnt as easy as it sounds. Over the panels something materializes in Jeans hand. Something we're told is the universe.
Who's word are yall gonna take?
He who does this:
FALLACY at it's MAX!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:
He even threw in an extra close up
The Stranger was purposely CUT OUT of the frame to make it seem as though they are bowing to Jean.
The REAL SCAN:
Or the OTHER guy?
Scan 1:
Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....
Already proved this many times over... the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which recycles it (a self perpetuating process)
Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.
Scan 2:
Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."
NOTHING about Phoenix.
"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)
"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...
Ok, I'm sure you see now that the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do... what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.
(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...
because one day WE (Humans), will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...
they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).
"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."
How does he PLAN to do that?....
AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.
But I think not.
Scan 3 & 4:
The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now... to Engulf the cosmos"
Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.
More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...
NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.
"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"
notworthy------------------>nono
meh, what's the point of all this?
Women fall in love and marry convicted Serial killers
and other fools thought David Koresh was Jesus Christ while he was banging their daughters.
I wouldn't be surprised if FALLACY rules some.
Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefirephYou'll be ignored from now on, your not debating, your simply posting gibberish, and your willfully ignoring On Panel artistic representation and character and Writer statements.
Be gone my child.
are you a GS sock? you sound exactly like him. i have an idea: conclusively prove your interpretation has more weight than mine. and do it WITHOUT copy/pasting your previous post. we've all read those scans a hundred times already.
