[QUOTE=7585876]Originally posted by ExodusCloak
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"Since your idiot Sibling smashed the Nullifier we can't excise the infected ´brane and cauterize the wound."
So the Nullifier would be able to do something about the Chaos wave . . .
Interesting . . .
So much for the Pre-retcon Beyonder against Wanda with the Chaos wave.
Yep...Romas Celestial Nullifier "should" have been able to stop it by removing 616 from existence...before the wave spilled over into other realities...the waves main weakness is that it doesn't change the entire Omniverse in an instant...the alteration only happens as the wave progresses throughout reality.
However if Wanda is standing 10m away from her enemy...speed shouldn't make a difference....the wave greatest feat is it shows the jurisdiction of her powers.
Funny enough Jamie Braddock was uneffected by the wave...and he managed to save Psylocke and Rachel from it...so I wonder how he ranks on the power scale...(It should be noted that he has been shown to slip in and out of reality...so he could have just shifted into another reality as the wave....intially made it's way through 616)
i'm not disputing her abilities i'm disputing her level of power yes she had the ability to warp reaility to give herselr childern but that on a completly diffrent scale of power from rewriteing an intier universe she's never generated that kind of energy before you relly tellingme she's more powerful than the beyonder now even if she's a omega level it still doesnt make sense the things she's doing goes way beyond her power level
Originally posted by juggernaut66666No because all of Earth and even Doc Strange was effected therefore we know everything beow it was effected. If they had shwo Galactus or Eternity being changed then we would have known that everything below it was change
Oh so in that case whenever a character destroys or re-creates the Universe it is needed to be shown that it effected for example Prof-x or the Thing or Antman other wise they weren't effected by it ????
But instead what we got was a reference to 616 being changed and then we never see anything past Earth being effected for the most part.
Well thats the way Marvel wrote it, and it was her power level all along.
Read the opening to New Avengers #2, it even say that in her madness she tapped into the full power of her reality altering ability.
It remains, Wanda's power extends futher then Phoenix's.
Wanda says "No More Phoenix" and we all celebrate.
Wanda's power extends tto the omniverse. Phoenix's power is localized to one universe and thats it.
Wanda can effect Eternity himself.
Eternity > Phoenix
Fanboys, give it up, people are trying to explain it to you every which way they can.
Originally posted by newjak86
No because all of Earth and even Doc Strange was effected therefore we know everything beow it was effected. If they had shwo Galactus or Eternity being changed then we would have known that everything below it was changeBut instead what we got was a reference to 616 being changed and then we never see anything past Earth being effected for the most part.
Originally posted by Ext@ntExt@nt I'm only going to tell you this once and hopefully it will be enough so that you understand me perfectly.
Well thats the way Marvel wrote it, and it was her power level all along.Read the opening to New Avengers #2, it even say that in her madness she tapped into the full power of her reality altering ability.
It remains, Wanda's power extends futher then Phoenix's.
Wanda says "No More Phoenix" and we all celebrate.
Wanda's power extends tto the omniverse. Phoenix's power is localized to one universe and thats it.
Wanda can effect Eternity himself.
Eternity > Phoenix
Fanboys, give it up, people are trying to explain it to you every which way they can.
I'm not argueing what level of power Phoenix is on becuase that is a whole other arguement. What I'm tryin to tell you is this that we don't know enough about the true nature of the Chaoswave to really give it such a high pedistal for now.
Basically everyone reads and makes some connections and all of a sudden people are saying it was stopped just short of heaven and thus everything below TOAA is below the weaker than the Wave.
I remember someone(GS) making the same claims with Phoenix using the same type of loose connections and came to the same conclusion and he had more stuff then even you guys did.
The Point before we give the Chaoswave to much credit wait lets see the whole picture and realize there are gaps until filled in.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666😕
The the ultimate nullifier didn't effect Galactus cause it wasn't showed on panel 😆
Ok I don't see how that really helps you but I'l try and explain this as simple as possible.
This isn't something being said and then not seeing it on panel.
WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THE HIGHER UPS OF THE UNIVERSE NOT EVEN A REFERNCE.
All we see is 616 Earth being changed and no rmention not even a slight on of anything else being changed.
And for refernce I dout it did effect the big higher ups.
Yes we do have enough info.
We have:
Avengers dissasembled
A few issues of Excalibur
HOM
HOM crossovers
She almost destoryed the omniverse itself. That's WAYYY over Phoenix's powerlevel. Wanda can remake eternity, and eternity is higher up then the Phoenix.
Wanda could destory the omniverse which would destroy the Phoenix. Who's to say in Wanda's HOM the Phoenix even existed anymore?
Stop looking for excuses for the Phoenix. I think we have ample proof of the Choaswave's power seeing as how, oh yeah that's right, it almost destroyed EVERYTHING!!
Fanboys, learn to lose.
Originally posted by Ext@ntExt@nt learn to read becuase I'm no saying that the Chaoswave isn't stronger than the Phoenix I'm saying that we don't have enough evidence.
Yes we do have enough info.We have:
Avengers dissasembled
A few issues of Excalibur
HOM
HOM crossoversShe almost destoryed the omniverse itself. That's WAYYY over Phoenix's powerlevel. Wanda can remake eternity, and eternity is higher up then the Phoenix.
Wanda could destory the omniverse which would destroy the Phoenix. Who's to say in Wanda's HOM the Phoenix even existed anymore?
Stop looking for excuses for the Phoenix. I think we have ample proof of the Choaswave's power seeing as how, oh yeah that's right, it almost destroyed EVERYTHING!!
Fanboys, learn to lose.
We have Mr. M coming throwing togther things that he doesn't have any right to do. He is claiming things he isn't sure off. He is basically saying that Captain Britain at the time the Chaoswave was coming through could change the entire Omniverse on a whim which by the he doesn't know that for sure and there are no on panel feats to prove that what he was saying would happen.
He gave us panels sayong that the cosmos would be rewritten and then someone proclaiming CB guardian of the Omniverse and if that is enough to grant someone a power level then the Guardain of the Universe is Universal in power right but Quasar isn't.
Before you go spouting off and having orgasim make sure you understand that there are holes in everything being shown and even more holes in the actual story because the writers chose for that to take place because they didn't want to give everything away because they want to do it later and thereofre for the whole picture we must wait for it.
So get of this Cahoswave Bullsh*t for now and realize its like Superman Prime or devil Hulk a very limited appearance with very limited and holed feats isn't enough to grant it Omniversal power just yet.
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Originally posted by newjak86
Ext@nt learn to read becuase I'm no saying that the Chaoswave isn't stronger than the Phoenix I'm saying that we don't have enough evidence.We have Mr. M coming throwing togther things that he doesn't have any right to do. He is claiming things he isn't sure off. He is basically saying that Captain Britain at the time the Chaoswave was coming through could change the entire Omniverse on a whim which by the he doesn't know that for sure and there are no on panel feats to prove that what he was saying would happen.
He gave us panels sayong that the cosmos would be rewritten and then someone proclaiming CB guardian of the Omniverse and if that is enough to grant someone a power level then the Guardain of the Universe is Universal in power right but Quasar isn't.
Before you go spouting off and having orgasim make sure you understand that there are holes in everything being shown and even more holes in the actual story because the writers chose for that to take place because they didn't want to give everything away because they want to do it later and thereofre for the whole picture we must wait for it.
So get of this Cahoswave Bullsh*t for now and realize its like Superman Prime or devil Hulk a very limited appearance with very limited and holed feats isn't enough to grant it Omniversal power just yet.
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nice. 😉
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Yes we do have enough info.We have:
Avengers dissasembled
A few issues of Excalibur
HOM
HOM crossoversShe almost destoryed the omniverse itself. That's WAYYY over Phoenix's powerlevel. Wanda can remake eternity, and eternity is higher up then the Phoenix.
Wanda could destory the omniverse which would destroy the Phoenix. Who's to say in Wanda's HOM the Phoenix even existed anymore?
Stop looking for excuses for the Phoenix. I think we have ample proof of the Choaswave's power seeing as how, oh yeah that's right, it almost destroyed EVERYTHING!!
Fanboys, learn to lose.
Originally posted by lando005Unless of course to want to believe in GS's theory that all mutants especially Omega level mutants are eventually supposed become like the Phoenix because that is the final step in the evolution of mankind.
listen to what your trying to say wanda a mutant is more powerful than the living tribunal that's basicly what your summing up it doesnt stike you weird at all that powers on that scale ( which are the power levels of cosmics and abstrcts) suddenly fall in to the nads of a mear mutant? there's no way she could have that much power and still be a mutant not even an omega is capable of that
If you believe that though then all Wanda was doing was taping into the Phoenix Force which really throws the Chaoswave for a loop.
Anyways I don't believe in that.
I also don't believe Wanda could have done it by herself especially on the scale you guys are trying to say.
So once again no one knows enough to really give a truely unbiased point at the moment.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yep...Romas Celestial Nullifier "should" have been able to stop it by removing 616 from existence...before the wave spilled over into other realities...the waves main weakness is that it doesn't change the entire Omniverse in an instant...the alteration only happens as the wave progresses throughout reality.However if Wanda is standing 10m away from her enemy...speed shouldn't make a difference....the wave greatest feat is it shows the jurisdiction of her powers.
Funny enough Jamie Braddock was uneffected by the wave...and he managed to save Psylocke and Rachel from it...so I wonder how he ranks on the power scale...(It should be noted that he has been shown to slip in and out of reality...so he could have just shifted into another reality as the wave....intially made it's way through 616)
Thx. 😄
Okay, peitro told her what to do with the wave, that shows control.
She knew they were comming to deal with her, so she released the wave.
Phoenix Fanboys, get over it.
It's not the same as Superman Prime. He appear for a few panels in ONE comic.
We have allot of issues invovling wanda and her power. It exteneds farther then Phoenix's.
If Wanda wanted to she could wipe out the Phoenix.
And she always had the power, deal with it, Marvel made her more powerfull then your beloved bird, whine and cry to them not us.
And no, we've seen threw many issues what this wave can do and how far its power exteneds, you fanboys just can't handle it and that's sad.
To make it easy for you,
TOAA>LT>Chaoswave>Eternity=Galactus>Phoenix
That's the order of things.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So what you're saying is that the Nullifier could have neutralize the Choas wave, but as a side-effect all the universes the Chaos wave have entered would have been destroyed as well.
So the Nullifier is above the Chaos wave after all.Thx. 😄
It should have....because the breach would have been non existant...and therefore the wave would have been stopped....so yeah the Celestial Nullifer could have stopped it...had Jamie not broken it..
As for the Omega Level theory...wasn't that...theory more on the lines of....Omega Mutants have infinite potential....and they can become beings who are "like" Phoenixes....not actual Phoenixes because the Phoenix is supposed to be specific to Jean Greys mutation?
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Okay, peitro told her what to do with the wave, that shows control.She knew they were comming to deal with her, so she released the wave.
Phoenix Fanboys, get over it.
did . . . you just call me a phoenix fanboy . . .? 😕
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anyway, scans would be very cool to prove your points. 🙂
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Okay, peitro told her what to do with the wave, that shows control.She knew they were comming to deal with her, so she released the wave.
Phoenix Fanboys, get over it.
It's not the same as Superman Prime. He appear for a few panels in ONE comic.
We have allot of issues invovling wanda and her power. It exteneds farther then Phoenix's.
If Wanda wanted to she could wipe out the Phoenix.
And she always had the power, deal with it, Marvel made her more powerfull then your beloved bird, whine and cry to them not us.
And no, we've seen threw many issues what this wave can do and how far its power exteneds, you fanboys just can't handle it and that's sad.
To make it easy for you,
TOAA>LT>Chaoswave>Eternity=Galactus>Phoenix
That's the order of things.
