White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, go READ COMICS, Captain Britain ONLY deals with OMNIVERSAL Threats.

I'm doing it again, what are you doing except for spewing your meaningless opinions without any proof.

WRONG!

Molecule Man and beyonder had done that already earlier in the issue

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"

Realize how ALL Reality is falling apart because of them, (both are POST-Retcon).
A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

"I come to BEG for the SALVATION of my REALITY"

You wanna sugar coat it, whatever.

I said Collapse, but it seems your bent on being ontuse.

Not your whole captain Britain thing but the Beyonder one you see how hard is it to actually give on panel feats showing these things but once again Odin has sent shockwaves throughout the Multiverse but this one is really impressive perhaps your others can finally get up to par.

Originally posted by Mr Master
When it comes to Captain Britain, yea my child, it means the OMNI-VERSE.

EVIDENCE has been pumped in your face and your in denial, because you feel stupid.

You were talking mad shit and now your smelling it, and it hurts.

So continue to go in circles, you've said nothing of consequence except to vainly attempt to knock the ON PANEL PROOF.

I'll remember that the next time I see him running around with Juggernaut and the rest of New Exacilbur taking on Dark X-Men 🙄

Originally posted by newjak86
Finally a scan thats actually worth something.

Not your whole captain Britain thing but the Beyonder one you see how hard is it to actually give on panel feats showing these things but once again Odin has sent shockwaves throughout the Multiverse but this one is really impressive perhaps your others can finally get up to par.

Whatever, I'm not taking you too seriously right now, I believe you have an agenda.

The Merlin scans are dealing with the 616 Multi-verse as his Chess Board, it was mentioned several times AND it was ARTISTICALLY depicted.

The bottomline is you know nothing about the Captain Britain series, and apparently Marvel has given them jurisdiction over the OMNI-VERSE.

Again from Captain Britain issues.

The Omniversal Tribune can Erase any Universe they want.

"Destroy an ENTIRE Universe, are you people insane"?

"an ENTIRE Universe OBLITERATED in an Instant"

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

Originally posted by newjak86
I'll remember that the next time I see him running around with Juggernaut and the rest of New Exacilbur taking on Dark X-Men

Stick to this dude, making jokes, it applies to you since your a joke to me right now.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
There's also many Wolverine's as well in many universes, that doesnt make them Multiversal.

And the Topic of THIS thread is WHo would win in a fight between Wanda and the Phoenix and everyone seems to agree its Wanda so the debate is over.

You ethier think one wins or the other, pick one.

those wolverine's aren't united by a single consciousness and power source. and don't conceit to tell me what i "ethier" think.

I know what you think. You think Phoenix can beat anything in the Marvel U. There's a name for that, delusional.

Wanda's power can effect Eternity who is more powerful then your pet bird there.

"No more Phoenix" she whispers and ends this debate.

Originally posted by manorastroman
and don't conceit to tell me what i "ethier" think.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I know what you think. You think Phoenix can beat anything in the Marvel U.

So are you saying Wanda would win then?

I'm tired of people claiming they aren't Phoenix Fanboys yet ignoring anything that proves the bird wouldn't win.

There is no way Phoenix can win here. Wanda's on panel feats exceed anything the bird has ever come close to doing.

i'm saying that i agree with leo and newjak. it's impossible to tell. wanda has shown great power, but almost no control. i can see victories for both.

i'm tired of you and your antics, and i'm not alone. do the wise thing and show some humility.

So in other words your trying to straddle the fence to avoid being called a fanboy.

Wanda created the HOM universe accroding to her fathers and everyones wishes. That demonstrates control.

I am tired of you and the Phoenix Fanboys.

You people need to realize Wanda could anihillate the bird with a stray thought.

Stop grasping at useless strings here, You know Wanda sweeps this one. Your just pig-headed and refusing to see the truth which is what I find annoying about Fanboys.

grasping at useless strings? what the holy hell are you talking about? if you're talking about what YOU did to defend extant, that comment makes sense. i'm not trying to straddle the fence. i just don't know who would win. and the only person who would call me a fanboy is you.

and learn your comics. wanda did a global alteration (with some control) and the wave was just a side affect of that.

that's it, you're officially too far gone. you apparently live in some universe where everynody is on your side. actually, you're a joke. nobody takes you seriously and if you left these forums today it probably wouldn't even register.

Read over this thread and see how many people agree with me.

Wanda did an omniversal alteration. Wanda can effect eternity, whos power exceeds that of the Phoenix.

And The Chaoswave was not a side effect, it was an extension of her power. Re-read this thread over slowly and carefully, and try real hard to see the good and valid points people like Mr M have brought up.

i HAVE read over this thread. i can actually read, you see. it's a wonderful talent.

the wave was an extension that she had no control over, which classifies it as a side effect.

people don't agree with YOU, they agree that wanda would win. learn the difference.

Good now all you have to master is absorbing what's written and understanding it. I understand this is a slow process for you, but we will be patient with you, don't worry.

For anyone who has a logcial mind, Wanda FTW 10/10

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Read over this thread and see how many people agree with me.

Wanda did an omniversal alteration. Wanda can effect eternity, whos power exceeds that of the Phoenix.

And The Chaoswave was not a side effect, it was an extension of her power. Re-read this thread over slowly and carefully, and try real hard to see the good and valid points people like Mr M have brought up.

stop being a sycophant and learn to defend your own stance with something more than: 'i'm tired of you fanboys!'

your position has been officially challenged. you have REPEATEDLY failed to bring about proof that would allow you to claim anything remotely resembling a 'victory' in this debate. even your apparent mentor, masters, has stated on pg 6 of this thread that wanda NEVER demonstrated control over the wave.

i never once contended that the wave actually originated from her, only that she showed no ability to control it or its power -- WHICH SHE DID NOT. i also said that PERHAPS she could take out phoenix, but even YOU said she could do it with a 'stray thought'. it comes down to who could 'think' faster, and of course you never explained why i or anyone else should believe that a 'stray thought' of some human would be executed more quickly than the thought of an entity that is far BEYOND human. but you never explained or proved anything else, so by this point i am most certainly NOT surprised. having seen you around a little, i'd expected a debate.

this wasn't a debate. you have been massacred.

phoenix wins NOT because i 'like' her or am i a fan of hers, but because a conceptual entity by all reason and logic should be able to attack quicker than a crazy human mutant. bottom line.

you have failed over and again to address points and queries made directly to you, you have brought nothing to this thread that any sychophant can't bring to any thread, you have been insulting and you have repeatedly pointed out what OTHERS have said and done NONE of the work yourself. you have screamed fanboy but done nothing to address valid points that have been raised and brought to your attention except to yell and scream even louder. above all, even the guy you repeatedly call upon has said she showed no control over the wave.

all in all, very nice job in this debate, bro. ask not for whom the bells tolls, mon ami, because you lose.

resoundingly.

Originally posted by leonidas
stop being a sycophant and learn to defend your own stance with something more than: 'i'm tired of you fanboys!'

[b]your position has been officially challenged. you have REPEATEDLY failed to bring about proof that would allow you to claim anything remotely resembling a 'victory' in this debate. even your apparent mentor, masters, has stated on pg 6 of this thread that wanda NEVER demonstrated control over the wave.

i never once contended that the wave actually originated from her, only that she showed no ability to control it or its power -- WHICH SHE DID NOT. i also said that PERHAPS she could take out phoenix, but even YOU said she could do it with a 'stray thought'. it comes down to who could 'think' faster, and of course you never explained why i or anyone else should believe that a 'stray thought' of some human would be executed more quickly than the thought of an entity that is far BEYOND human. but you never explained or proved anything else, so by this point i am most certainly NOT surprised. having seen you around a little, i'd expected a debate.

this wasn't a debate. you have been massacred.

phoenix wins NOT because i 'like' her or am i a fan of hers, but because a conceptual entity by all reason and logic should be able to attack quicker than a crazy human mutant. bottom line.

you have failed over and again to address points and queries made directly to you, you have brought nothing to this thread that any sychophant can't bring to any thread, you have been insulting and you have repeatedly pointed out what OTHERS have said and done NONE of the work yourself. you have screamed fanboy but done nothing to address valid points that have been raised and brought to your attention except to yell and scream even louder. above all, even the guy you repeatedly call upon has said she showed no control over the wave.

all in all, very nice job in this debate, bro. ask not for whom the bells tolls, mon ami, because you lose.

resoundingly. [/B]

cry it's so beautiful it just might get through...

😍

And with all that nonsense you ignore simple facts.

Wanda's power exceeds and over powers what the Phoenix has EVER been able to do.

And the reason I dont need to show scan's is because good people like Mr M have done that so if you want the scans or proof simply re-read over the thread.

You ask people to contanstly provide the same info over and over again so you can try to wear them out and so they will abondon the debate, as you hopefully realize such is not the case with me.

Wanda has omniversal power and can wipe the Phoenix Force out with a thought.

Even if Phoenix hurt her it would have the same effect as when Hawkeye tried to kill her, she just makes it so it didn't happen. The Omniverse is her plaything.

Wanda wipes Phoenix out.

Originally posted by leonidas
stop being a sycophant and learn to defend your own stance with something more than: 'i'm tired of you fanboys!'

[b]your position has been officially challenged. you have REPEATEDLY failed to bring about proof that would allow you to claim anything remotely resembling a 'victory' in this debate. even your apparent mentor, masters, has stated on pg 6 of this thread that wanda NEVER demonstrated control over the wave.

i never once contended that the wave actually originated from her, only that she showed no ability to control it or its power -- WHICH SHE DID NOT. i also said that PERHAPS she could take out phoenix, but even YOU said she could do it with a 'stray thought'. it comes down to who could 'think' faster, and of course you never explained why i or anyone else should believe that a 'stray thought' of some human would be executed more quickly than the thought of an entity that is far BEYOND human. but you never explained or proved anything else, so by this point i am most certainly NOT surprised. having seen you around a little, i'd expected a debate.

this wasn't a debate. you have been massacred.

phoenix wins NOT because i 'like' her or am i a fan of hers, but because a conceptual entity by all reason and logic should be able to attack quicker than a crazy human mutant. bottom line.

you have failed over and again to address points and queries made directly to you, you have brought nothing to this thread that any sychophant can't bring to any thread, you have been insulting and you have repeatedly pointed out what OTHERS have said and done NONE of the work yourself. you have screamed fanboy but done nothing to address valid points that have been raised and brought to your attention except to yell and scream even louder. above all, even the guy you repeatedly call upon has said she showed no control over the wave.

all in all, very nice job in this debate, bro. ask not for whom the bells tolls, mon ami, because you lose.

resoundingly. [/B]

Nicely put...but does a Phoenix Avatar really have God-like reflexes? The conceptual entity itself(The consiousness who speaks to Jean) whose power is present in all avatars across the multiverse...yes...but an avatar? I know Jeans mutation is the Phoenix and all...and the force is her mutation...as per retcon...but does that mean she(The Avatar) has God-like reflexes, when she the Avatar hasn't demonstrated any trace of this particular power?

Wanda could wipe out the multiverese and the Phoenix itself instantainiously.

And there's no evidence Wanda can be killed at all.

I say either of them could win, it all depends on who is more prepared.
It can be assumed that Wanda could blink phoenix out of existance or make her Jean no longer a mutant with a connection to it. However, If Jean wanted to, she could go to the WHR and do that whole altering a future timeline thing she did in Here Comes Tomorrow, except this time instead of making Scott move on from her death, she goes back furthur and makes Magneto think hes gay before Wanda is concieved, saving a whole lot of depowered mutants a whole lot of suffering