If Wanda's power goes to far she could wipe out the enitre Omniverse,
And accroding to people on this forum, reality altering equals time altering so that nerfs your theory abit.
The WHR is to Marvel, what Vanishing Point is to DC. But if all of time and space EVERYWHERE is wiped out you have to stay in the WHR.
Okay as a side bar, Why the hell do they call it "The White Hot Room"? It sounds like a cross between a lunatic asylum and a strip bar.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nicely put...but does a Phoenix Avatar really have God-like reflexes? The conceptual entity itself(The consiousness who speaks to Jean) whose power is present in all avatars across the multiverse...yes...but an avatar? I know Jeans mutation is the Phoenix and all...and the force is her mutation...as per retcon...but does that mean she(The Avatar) has God-like reflexes, when she the Avatar hasn't demonstrated any trace of this particular power?
it's a fair question, ec, but when acting in her role as the white phoenix, is it not fair to say jean becomes . . . elevated in status? i'd thought the lines between jean and phoenix (in this incarnation in particular) blurred to say the least.
that said, you may well be correct in assuming that jean's reactions wouldn't be elevated (though in lesser forms she has transcended light speed which should say more than enough about her ability to react and process thought at speeds that exceed a 'regular' human's) but even assuming their reactions ARE the same, it comes down to a dice roll as i initially said, as opposed to this being anything LIKE a straight and easy win for wanda.
and extant, did you just compare the white crown phoenix with . . . hawkeye . . .? 🙁
Actually since my name's been mentioned here and there, I might as well give my opinion on the fight.
Wanda wins.
Why?
1. Because Wanda can survive Universal explosions at ground zero with zero damage.
So that gets the "Reflex" issue out the way.
Ground Zero:
Wanda explodes the Universe in her face
Boom boom bang, where's Wanda after this?
I've NEVER seen Jean as DP or as WPOTC even taking a Universal explosion let alone surviving it.
2. Because Wanda is immortal and Jean is definitely NOT.
Hawkeye drove an arrow straight into Wanda's heart
Notice the arrows Position, right on the side of the Heart,
Hawkeye came to KILL, READ the scan.
ONE Panel later, Everything is as was.
"If I couldn't KILL you"......
As for Phoenix, Kill the Avatar, you win the fight.
WHY?
Because the Phoenix Force is UNAWARE of it's one Existence in it's Natural State (without Avatar)
IN FACT
The Phoenix Force has NO CONSCIOUSNESS in it's Natural State
So WPOTC CAN'T Hurt Wanda physically, because Wanda can take a Universe blowing up in her face, and Jean has NEVER been depicted On Panel as being able to output Power that can destroy a Universe.
Lastly, since Jean can't affect Wanda physically, in Power generation Wanda is greater too.
3. Because Wanda can destroy and Re-create Eternity (REALITY 616) on a passing Whim.
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
Yes, EVERYTHING in the 616 REALITY (ETERNITY)
And we ALL know Jean has NEVER destroyed, remade or created a Universe On Panel.
Wanda 10/10
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Wanda could wipe out the multiverese and the Phoenix itself instantainiously.And there's no evidence Wanda can be killed at all.
Originally posted by yer
If Jean wanted to, she could go to the WHR and do that whole altering a future timeline thing she did in Here Comes Tomorrow, except this time instead of making Scott move on from her death, she goes back furthur and makes Magneto think hes gay before Wanda is concieved, saving a whole lot of depowered mutants a whole lot of suffering
😆
Unfortunately for Phoenix, Jean has to go to the WHR to do that Feat, while Wanda was Re-Ordering Time over and over again with a thought and WITHOUT Need of the WHR.
That in itself tells you Wanda is more Powerful.
It doesnt have to translate into battle prowess.
Phoenix power is like a guided missle.
Wandas power is like a uber-nuke. It will hit it target and everything around it.
See DC calls it "Vanishing Point", a nice exostentail name that inspires awe and grander.
Marvel calls it "The White Hot Room", A name that makes me think it involves a hooker in a nurses uniform.
By the way you are all aware that there is a Phoenix in the DCU as well right?
<<Wanda explodes the Universe in her face>>
you said it: SHE exploded it. it's her power. why would/should it affect her? and WHY did she blow it up?
having jean blow her brain up before wanda has a chance to activate her powers would end it. can't change things if you're dead. and surviving an arrow from hawkeye is hardly the same thing as what jean could do and is not definitive proof of immortality either. her brain was still able to function after hawkeye's attack, hence she could think and activate her power. hard to do that if you are ashes or have no brain.
in any event, i brought your name up because extant repeatedly brought it up is all.
Originally posted by Mr Masteri dont think she destroyed the universe more like altered it that is and forever will be wanda's power reality alteration not reality reconstruction otherwise she could have just made an entierly new and sepreate universe and lived there kinda like what the beyonder did i think she has to work with what's already there
😆Unfortunately for Phoenix, Jean has to go to the WHR to do that Feat, while Wanda was Re-Ordering Time over and over again with a thought and WITHOUT Need of the WHR.
That in itself tells you Wanda is more Powerful.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Wanda explodes the Universe in her face>>you said it: SHE exploded it. it's her power. why would/should it affect her? and WHY did she blow it up?
having jean blow her brain up before wanda has a chance to activate her powers would end it. can't change things if you're dead. and surviving an arrow from hawkeye is hardly the same thing as what jean could do and is not definitive proof of immortality either. her brain was still able to function after hawkeye's attack, hence she could think and activate her power. hard to do that if you are ashes or have no brain.
in any event, i brought your name up because extant repeatedly brought it up is all.
also Jean has incredible telekinises. Rachel has been shown to be powerful enough to alter her own DNA into that of a dinosaur thing, so who says Jean couldnt alter Wandas so that shes no longer a mutant
Originally posted by Ext@nta phoenix in dc....cant tell if ur serious or not
It doesnt have to translate into battle prowess.Phoenix power is like a guided missle.
Wandas power is like a uber-nuke. It will hit it target and everything around it.
See DC calls it "Vanishing Point", a nice exostentail name that inspires awe and grander.
Marvel calls it "The White Hot Room", A name that makes me think it involves a hooker in a nurses uniform.
By the way you are all aware that there is a Phoenix in the DCU as well right?
Originally posted by manorastroman
universal explosions of her own design. might be a little different if phoenix was holding the gun.
You have a point.
But other point lean towards Wanda being more powerful.
Like the fact that Phoenix has never destroyed, remade or created a Universe, while Wanda destroyed and remade the 616 Reality over and over again.
I saw some one saying that Jean altering the Timeline by needing to go to the Past and change Scott's mind was a gretaer feat,
Ofcourse this is gibberish, for Wanda did exactly that with a thought, I counted 7 times.
Originally posted by manorastroman
moreover, wanda's power doesn't really translate into battle prowess.
How you figure?
She was erasing who ever she wished in 616, and increasing or decreasing whos ever Power she wished.
In one of her Warps, she increases Genis-Vell's Power to INSANE Genis-Vell levels
Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence
"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more (that's Twice)
Even INSANE Genis-Vell was only able to destroy Eternity, he then helped Entropy re-create him, but Wanda has him BLINKING the Universe in and Out of existence.
She even had him Cracking Space and Time in Two, actually BISECTING it.
"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
"We must find him soon, OR...
"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
Genis ends up splitting Time and Space in Two
Originally posted by manorastroman
just saying, i'm still unsure.
I'll get you there.
