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Originally posted by Kutulu
How do you figure Umar is above skyfather level?

I made a mistake,

actualy Umar shares Eternity's power now. Eternity the Multiverse.

It's Canon.

Originally posted by Kutulu
She was a little more powerful than Dr. Strange,

Any Faltine would handle Strange, easily (excluding plot devices and pis)

Originally posted by Kutulu
was a subordinate of Dormammu,

Only because he's the ruler of the Dark Dimension.

Remember, when Umar went mad after bearing a daughter to Orini, now in millennia-old adulthood, Dormammu used trickery to banish her to a pocket universe, becoming sole ruler of the Dark Dimension and continuing his conquests.

Thus Dormammu merged his essence with that of the Dark Dimension’s innate mystic energies,
increasing his power enormously,

but normal Umar and normal Dormy were equals.

Originally posted by Kutulu
and got her ass kicked by Zom.

Yea but it took Eternity, Dormammu and Umar together to imprison him,
so that's not much of a low showing.

Zom was an Imbalance to Reality aswell, the LT came through because of it.
(Strange Tales #157)

Originally posted by Kutulu
She was a powerful sorceress no doubt, but no skyfather level IMHO.

You're probably right about normal Umar, I should've kept it at Dormammu.

HOM Wanda is uber even in Alternate Realities :

In this Alternate HOM Universe,
Wanda erases herself and her lover (Captain America) from existence:

This Alternate Dr Strange uses the Eye of Agomotto,
to see what Wanda would have done had she not erased herself:

This Alternate HOM Wanda would have Warped every Earth in every Universe:

Kang is a master Time Traveler

Kang rules over 1712 UniverseS:

Here's a quick Time Feat by Kang.

Kang erases Steve Rogers' present existence as Captain America by Altering the Past:

mr master at what level would place hyperstorm at ie herald/sky father?

I would say Hyperstorm is somewhere between Skyfather and Celestial level

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I would say Hyperstorm is somewhere between Skyfather and Celestial level

Originally posted by lordboo
thanks ,its funny hes never been confirmed as a omega level mutant either

Well very few mutants have

But there are many that should get that label on them IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But there are many that should get that label on them IMO.

True

mr master when the living tribunal rules the infinity gems working together null and void did it affect there use on there own?

Originally posted by lordboo
mr master when the living tribunal rules the infinity gems working together null and void did it affect there use on there own?

No.

Only the Infinity Gauntlet was affected.

The IG was never formed again until Rune (being from another Multiverse) was able to do so.

I have never understood how exactly he did it,
but the Arc alludes to the cause being he was from another Multiverse,
and thus was unaffected by the LT's restriction.

But that wouldn't really make sense either,
because TOAA/God themselves put the second restriction on the IG.

It doesn't really matter though,
TOAA/God operate outside the Omniverse from Heaven and can do anything they want.

Another story had to made about the IG, and so it was, it's that simple.

In the end it's God/TOAA that create and bring to Reality everything
that happens in the Omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No.

Only the Infinity Gauntlet was affected.

The IG was never formed again until Rune (being from another Multiverse) was able to do so.

I have never understood how exactly he did it,
but the Arc alludes to the cause being he was from another Multiverse,
and thus was unaffected by the LT's restriction.

But that wouldn't really make sense either,
because TOAA/God themselves put the second restriction on the IG.

It doesn't really matter though,
TOAA/God operate outside the Omniverse from Heaven and can do anything they want.

Another story had to made about the IG, and so it was, it's that simple.

In the end it's God/TOAA that create and bring to Reality everything
that happens in the Omniverse.

Mr. M, can u list the 5 most powerful Celestials

Originally posted by Mr Master
No.

Only the Infinity Gauntlet was affected.

The IG was never formed again until Rune (being from another Multiverse) was able to do so.

I have never understood how exactly he did it,
but the Arc alludes to the cause being he was from another Multiverse,
and thus was unaffected by the LT's restriction.

But that wouldn't really make sense either,
because TOAA/God themselves put the second restriction on the IG.

It doesn't really matter though,
TOAA/God operate outside the Omniverse from Heaven and can do anything they want.

Another story had to made about the IG, and so it was, it's that simple.

In the end it's God/TOAA that create and bring to Reality everything
that happens in the Omniverse.

Originally posted by lordboo
thanks
also how come the living tribunal can rule the gem null and yet this infinity being was more powerful than lt.is it because there r only 6 gems ,and the ib is equal to all 7?

We don't know for sure if the IB (Nemesis) at full power
would've been more powerful than the LT.

We assume the IB would be,
or rather should be more powerful than the LT based on it's feat (creation of the Omniverse)
and based on its History
(it existed before the LT, and it was everything, and everything was it)

Then again,

LT is the voice and representative presence and judgement of TOAA/God,
so it can very well be that the IB creating the Omniverse does not rank him above the LT,
because after all,
the IB was just a Creation TOOL for TOAA/God to be used in a story
they created and drew on paper.

IMO, the IB>the LT (but this isn't conclusive)

Originally posted by Mr Master
We don't know for sure if the IB (Nemesis) at full power
would've been more powerful than the LT.

We assume the IB would be,
or rather should be more powerful than the LT based on it's feat (creation of the Omniverse)
and based on its History
(it existed before the LT, and it was everything, and everything was it)

Then again,

LT is the voice and representative presence and judgement of TOAA/God,
so it can very well be that the IB creating the Omniverse does not rank him above the LT,
because after all,
the IB was just a Creation TOOL for TOAA/God to be used in a story
they created and drew on paper.

IMO, the IB>the LT (but this isn't conclusive)

thanks again mr m
one last question can LT stop/reverse/nullify any of the effects of any weapon/artifact no matter how or where it was created like, tw/sword/mkraan crystal/the un etc,they same way he reversed they effects of the ig?
ok will stop pestering for now 😄

Originally posted by lordboo
thanks again mr m
one last question can LT stop/reverse/nullify any of the effects of any weapon/artifact no matter how or where it was created like, tw/sword/mkraan crystal/the un etc,they same way he reversed they effects of the ig?

Absolutely.

The LT is above anything with the exception of the CreatorS (GOD/TOAA)

and THOTI (the CreatorS' Power) with IN the Omniverse.

Protege was able to copy the LT's powers apparently, (senseless pis)
but Protege never confronted LT in battle due to the mysterious Scathan.

Scathan is another paradox,
until further info from Marvel he's still just a Celestial to me that was improperly used.

Originally posted by lordboo
ok will stop pestering for now

You can ask as many questions as you'd like. 🙂

I'll answer them as best I can if someone else hasn't already.

Hey Mr Master

About the IB isn't it incorrect to say that it created the Omniverse seeing as how the marvel was first only a single universe and then expanded slowly but not by IB doing.

Also I don't know where but its believed that Scathran is a agent of the Beyonders but that speculation at best.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, can u list the 5 most powerful Celestials

Double Post.

TOAA
Tiamut
Arishem
The executioner one
Oneg the prober 😖hifty: