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Btw.

Merlyn fusing the entire Omniverse into the tiny Crystals was never depicted on panel actually happening, but we know Merlyn did it cause it was Merlyn that created the Dimensinal Development Court (Omniversal Tribune).

The Omniversal Tribune was handling the Celestial Nullifier at its inception. (I have these scans but it will be a headache to find them right now, give me some time so I can go through my dvds. (comic storage)

The Omniversal Tribune also had authority over the Captain Britain corps for a time.

Captain Britain Corps was also developed by Merlyn.

Roma took personal charge of the Celestial Nullifier,
when Opul Lun Sat-Yr-9 tried getting her hands on it to used as an evil weapon.

So the Starlight Citidel (contains a Multiverse) and can erase Universes,
has always been in Otherworld.

The Celestial Nullifier is in Otherworld.

Merlyn was playing with a Chess Board that was fused to the Prime Multiverse,
and had other Chess Boards (Multiverses?) floating around his sanctuary,

this too, took place in Otherworld (in the Starlight Citidel)

Merlyn created Otherworld and everything in it.

Hey. I'm just wondering if Marvel has made a handbook for 2007? And if you gto ti, Mr. M.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Hey. I'm just wondering if Marvel has made a handbook for 2007? And if you gto ti, Mr. M.

There is a 2007 mini series, but they're not complete Handbooks.

They're Updates to last years collection
(filling the spots for characters and/or items left out in 2006)

4 issues were published. (I believe #4 was just released)

There was a myth floating around about Marvel: The End being non-canon. 😂

Well this will settle that once and for all.
..............................................................................

This is the All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Update 03 (2007)

Released THIS Month: (well ... 7/24/07) (Lord Chaos & Master Order bio)

"Most recently,

Chaos & Order again opposed Thanos when he obtained the Omnipotent Heart of the Infinite"

Not that I ever doubted it for so many other reasons,
but this makes it more than Official.

Marvel: The End ... IS ... Canon swank

Originally posted by Mr Master
I do.

Perhaps the first or not.

Funny because you disagreed with me a couple of pages back.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Funny because you disagreed with me a couple of pages back.

I re-read that issue and figured it's posssible, rather likely, but,

I only considered this because regardless the Proemial gods were Created by Eternity.

So it coincides with the Origin of the Celestials on panel.

When we had our debate, at first I didn't realize they were created by Eternity, so I had a problem with Brio being a Celestial IF these "Proemial gods" appeared on their own, but as we know, the "Living Universe" (Eternity) created them.

🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I re-read that issue and figured it's posssible, rather likely, but,

I only considered this because regardless the Proemial gods were Created by Eternity.

So it coincides with the Origin of the Celestials on panel.

When we had our debate, at first I didn't realize they were created by Eternity, so I had a problem with Brio being a Celestial IF these "Proemial gods" appeared on their own, but as we know, the "Living Universe" (Eternity) created them.

🙂

Okay cool that was what I was trying to say but it didn't went very well I can see that by rereading the post but glad you understood my point of view.

This actually makes Galactus kind of unique since he must then be the only being in the 616 universe that isn't created by Eternity correct? in a very limited way.

Btw where would you rank Zom???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay cool that was what I was trying to say but it didn't went very well I can see that by rereading the post but glad you understood my point of view.

We all learn as we go. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
This actually makes Galactus kind of unique since he must then be the only being in the 616 universe that isn't created by Eternity correct? in a very limited way.

Galan merged with the dying previous "Eternity" (or Universe) to become Galactus.

This is one of the many reasons why Galactus = Eternity (Multiverse)
(perhaps not in power but definitely in status/importance/essentiality)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Btw where would you rank Zom???

Zom was tough, he killed the Ancient One (Earth's fromer sorcerer supreme)
which means he would most likely own Strange.

Zom was defnitely more powerful than Umar and Dormammu
and it took Eternity himself to imprison Zom.

Zom doesn't have many feats showing versatility,
but his destructive power seemed to be in the pocket universe range,
perhaps more but he was not a universal destroyer.

If I had to rank him, he'd probably be below Abstract above Skyfather level, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Zom was tough, he killed the Ancient One (Earth's fromer sorcerer supreme)
which means he would most likely own Strange.

Zom was defnitely more powerful than Umar and Dormammu
and it took Eternity himself to imprison Zom.

Zom doesn't have many feats showing versatility,
but his destructive power seemed to be in the pocket universe range,
perhaps more but he was not a universal destroyer.

If I had to rank him, he'd probably be below Abstract above Skyfather level, imo.

He's just a shard realm ruler. I wouldn't say above skyfather, seems to be more on par with a typical skyfather.

He would be the same level as Surtur or thereabouts, as he seemed to be stalemated with Dormammu, so Dormammu went and got outside help to imprison him. The chains that bind his hands were created by Dormammu, and Eternity did help Dormammu imprison him, but it doesn't look like Zom had enough power to destroy Dormammu on his own either.

Don't get me wrong; all shard realm rulers are extremely powerful and virtually omnipotent in their respective shard realms. To name a few: Brutus Klor, Dormammu, D'Spayre, Hedron the Faceted, Malevolence/King of Pain, Mephisto, Mulgotha, Muranai, Nightmare, Phemous, Pluto, Siffror the Lifeless, Skarabrous the Stalker, Surtur, Thog, etc..

Surtur was about on-par with Odin, both being able to destroy Galaxies on their own.

All I know,

Is Zom merged with Strange looks badass, and he should be fairly powerful too:

It's a shame he'll somehow loose to Hulk though. haermm

Originally posted by Galan007
All I know,

Is Zom merged with Strange looks badass, and he should be fairly powerful too:

It's a shame he'll somehow loose to Hulk though. haermm

WWH will need a place in Mr. M's Hierarchy

Zom will lose to Hulk 😄

Originally posted by Kutulu
He's just a shard realm ruler. I wouldn't say above skyfather, seems to be more on par with a typical skyfather.

Normal Dormammu and Umar are above Skyfathers. (not by much but they are)

Umar ran for her life from Zom in Strange Tales #157

Originally posted by Kutulu
He would be the same level as Surtur or thereabouts, as he seemed to be stalemated with Dormammu,

I don't remember them stalemating. (I'll go flip some pages)

Originally posted by Kutulu
so Dormammu went and got outside help to imprison him. The chains that bind his hands were created by Dormammu, and Eternity did help Dormammu imprison him,

Actually the chains were created by Eternity, Dormammu and Umar together.

Originally posted by Kutulu
but it doesn't look like Zom had enough power to destroy Dormammu on his own either.

I have to disagree.

The LT had to interfere (which means Zom was unbalancing the Multiverse)

Originally posted by Kutulu
Don't get me wrong; all shard realm rulers are extremely powerful and virtually omnipotent in their respective shard realms. To name a few: Brutus Klor, Dormammu, D'Spayre, Hedron the Faceted, Malevolence/King of Pain, Mephisto, Mulgotha, Muranai, Nightmare, Phemous, Pluto, Siffror the Lifeless, Skarabrous the Stalker, Surtur, Thog, etc..

Surtur was about on-par with Odin, both being able to destroy Galaxies on their own.

I agree.

But they are only omnipotent within their own realms
until a greater power comes by and stomps them. 131

Originally posted by Galan007
All I know,

Is Zom merged with Strange looks badass, and he should be fairly powerful too:

It's a shame he'll somehow loose to Hulk though. haermm

Strange Smash! Hahah awesome scan.

An epic battle.

Odin vs Drax (Gemless) - Silver Surfer and Thanos

continues ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Normal Dormammu and Umar are above Skyfathers. (not by much but they are)

Umar ran for her life from Zom in Strange Tales #157

How do you figure Umar is above skyfather level? She was a little more powerful than Dr. Strange, was a subordinate of Dormammu, and got her ass kicked by Zom. She was a powerful sorceress no doubt, but no skyfather level IMHO.

Originally posted by Galan007
All I know,

Is Zom merged with Strange looks badass, and he should be fairly powerful too:

It's a shame he'll somehow loose to Hulk though. haermm

Well we know that is bound to happen sooner ore later 🙁

Originally posted by guy222
WWH will need a place in Mr. M's Hierarchy

Zom will lose to Hulk 😄

WWH...

Hard indeed Mr Master what about above MJJ and just below LT but ofcause not if it comes to H2H combat.

Btw Thanks for the answears. Couldn't you also post the Tyrant vs Thanos Fught and the scan where Tyrant holds a even larger Orb I believe it was in your Thread here I original saw it.