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Originally posted by Endless Mike
I see nothing there that indicates an omni- or multiverse. Just one universe.

Marvel is not one Universe, the Marvel Universe is an Omniverse.

The Alien Entity and Reed reached the point before there was anything,
before the Original Big Bang that created the Omniverse of today.

This means the entire Marvel Reality (an Omniverse) was folded.

Then the Alien used the "Spark" which was inside him to ignite the fires of creation.

Then the Alien and Reed together Re-Shaped the Marvel Reality (An Omniverse)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Sise-neg did the same thing in a Doctor Strange story
(went back in time and recreated the 616 universe).

Not exactly.

Sis-Neg did that in 1972 (Marvel Premiere #13-14)

Marvel really was just a Universe back then. (616 didn't even exist)

It was just a single Universe.

Just because they went back before the Big Bang doesn't mean they went back before the omniverse. It means they went back before one universe and started it off. There is nothing in those scans that indicates it was more that one universe.

Just because Marvel has more than one universe doesn't mean that they affected all of them, when there is nothing suggesting they did.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Just because they went back before the Big Bang doesn't mean they went back before the omniverse.

Really?

So what was there AFTER the previous Universe imploded and BEFORE the original Big Bang?

On Panel and in the Bios it was a Void of absolute nothingness.

Even the Cosmic Egg represents "nothingness" in comparison with what was there prior.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It means they went back before one universe and started it off.

That one Universe you believe it is, is the 616 Universe.

Before the 616 Universe there was nothing.

All of Marvel derives from the 616 Reality.

In fact, the 616 Reality is connected to Omniversal significance. (check it out at Marvel.com)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
There is nothing in those scans that indicates it was more that one universe.

Then re-read the scans friend or pick up a canon copy of FF#530-531 situated in 616.

Because there's tons of evidence not suggesting but certifying
it was the beginning of the Marvel Universe they reached and folded.

From the beginning of the 616 Universe (beginning of Marvel)
the Alien Entity Sparked the fires of Creation,
and together with Reed Re-structured the Marvel Reality.

The Marvel Universe is an Omniverse.
(just like in THOTI case, no need to mention Multiverse or Omniverse,
because the story dealt with ALL of Marvel (which is the Marvel Universe, an Omniverse)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Just because Marvel has more than one universe doesn't mean that they affected all of them, when there is nothing suggesting they did.

Ok last time,

there has only been ONE Big Bang from nothingness, from the Cosmic Egg,
and that is the First and only real Big Bang, the one that came from a Void,
the one that the Alien and Reed sparked.

There are no individual natural Big Bangs from nothingness taking place anymore.

The Big Bnags taking place in the Multiverse Now, do not happen in Voids,
they take place deep in the Multiversal stack, where Universe haven't been developed yet,

but,

these areas of the Multiverse awaiting a Big Bang are not Voids,
they are Vast sectors of Space filled with Gases and Energy:

So this, besides what the official Marvel.com site confirms,
tells us that the Beginning of the Marvel Reality was touched by Reed and the Alien.
I mean it's clearly stated On Panel:

PLEASE READ :

"The Beginning of Everything ... Where the Universe began"

"The Void. The Timeless, Spaceless ... Pre-Creation hesitation ...

the Nothing that existed before there was existence.

The Void ... all that is, all that was, before what you call ... the Big Bang."

"In the Void that was there before the Big Bang, before everything that is, was ...

in that silent Creation hesitation, the Entity asked a question,

and now ... that Question ... has SPARKED the Engines of Creation"

🙂

Anyhow, there's really nothing left to debate about this.

You can email Marvel,
and ask them why they made Reed and the Alien Remake the Omniverse,
other than that, I can only convey what was obvious On Panel,
and what is confirmed at Marvel.com and the FF Bio.

It says "universe". Not "Multiverse" or "Omniverse". If it meant omniverse, it would have said omniverse.

Just because Ultimate Reed's Big Bang cannon drew energy from some pocket dimension filled with gasses, that doesn't mean that all big bangs come from that dimension, especially since he referred to it as a "baby universe", not a complete universe like 616.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It says "universe". Not "Multiverse" or "Omniverse". If it meant omniverse, it would have said omniverse.

Every subsequent Universe making up the Marvel Omniverse of today, springs from that initial 'infinite energy' Big Bang, which formed the first Universe, and spread outward from there.... Still expanding today.

So from previous mentions of how everything in Marvel was formed, it doesn't have to say Multiverse, or Omniverse, for us to know that's what was in fact created..

I know it's very confusing, but I hope that made some kind of sense.. 🙂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It says "universe". Not "Multiverse" or "Omniverse".
If it meant omniverse, it would have said omniverse.

The Marvel Universe ... is an Omniverse.

Before and for a while after the #616 designation was created back in 83'
(although Non-Canon at the time)

Marvel was a Multiverse that was termed "the Universe" (1985)

"A rather odd thing he noticed about our Universe,

composed of a seemingly endless number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a Multiverse"

.............................................................................

I could show you a truck load of examples
but this is to show you how far back the interchangeable terms go.

We know without a doubt, that the Alien & Reed remade the Omniverse.

Why?

Because they reached the point BEFORE the 616 Universe was even created.
(which is BEFORE the Universe, Multiverse, Megaverse and Omniverse existed in Marvel)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Just because Ultimate Reed's Big Bang cannon drew energy from some pocket dimension filled with gasses,

I don't remember reading anywhere that it was a "pocket dimension"
(can you point out where that is stated?)

What I do Know, is that it was a Universe in the Multiversal stack.

A vast space filled with volitile gases awaiting to be shaped into a properly functioning Universe.

PS.

"Pocket Dimensions" are small areas of a Universe ...

eg. The entire realm of Asgard (which is a tiny piece of 616 smaller than a Galaxy)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
that doesn't mean that all big bangs come from that dimension,

No one said that.

I said ALL Big Bangs NOW come from un-developed Universes withIN the Multiverse.

But NONE of these un-developed Universes are Voids/Cosmic Eggs.

Why?

Cause there's ONLY been ONE Void/Cosmic Egg in Marvel at the beginning of ANY Universe,
and that was the Void/Egg before anything existed, before Space & Time,
before the 616 Universe Big Banged into existence.

And where were Reed & the Alien?

Exactly there:

"The Void. The Timeless, Spaceless ... Pre-Creation hesitation ...

the Nothing that existed before there was existence.

The Void ... all that is, all that was, before what you call ... the Big Bang."

Originally posted by Endless Mike
especially since he referred to it as a "baby universe",
not a complete universe like 616.

It's a baby Universe because it hadn't been born yet.

In fact, it was awaiting it's birth, which was the Big Bang Reed harnessed.
.............................................................................

Universes when first born are relatively "Babies"
in comparison to when they expand through time:

eg.

When the Earth-311 or 1602 (a Universe) was erased from existence,
the Watchers were able to salvage it by re-creating this 15 Year old Universe:

"There is a noise ...

the sound of a Universe screaming in pain,

the sound of a World dying"
.............................................................................

The Watcher (Uatu) speaks:

"So it is over, I feel Time reconfigure itself ... Time heals, and is healed,

all will come into existence in its proper Time, one small Possibility has ended,

that everything else may exist"

"If this right, why do I feel so .. empty?"
.............................................................................

The leader of the High Tribunal of Watchers, gives Uatu a gift (the 1602 Universe)

The Watchers re-created the 1602 Reality, to allow it to exist in the Multiverse.

Since this Universe was so young, it is still a Baby Universe:

"All is now well. The UniverseS continue"

"The High Tribunal have a gift for you, We have crafted it from the fringes of Alternity,

It is small, keep it safe"

Uatu says,

"I place the High Tribunal's gift inside me; A Tiny Universe"

Originally posted by Galan007
That's the thing though...

Every subsequent Universe making up the Marvel Omniverse of today, springs from that initial 'infinite energy' Big Bang, which formed the first Universe, and spread outward from there.... Still expanding today.

So from previous mentions of how everything in Marvel was formed, it doesn't have to say Multiverse, or Omniverse, for us to know that's what was in fact created..

👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I know it's very confusing, but I hope that made some kind of sense..

Perfect sense brother G. 😎

mr master was the hotu,s power divided between the Celestial Order and akhenaten before thanos gained it?

Originally posted by lordboo
mr master was the hotu,s power divided between the Celestial Order and akhenaten before thanos gained it?

THOTI was being tapped by both, but neither party was actually bonded to it like Thanos.

It's like Ak and the Order were a Radio,
getting it's energy to turn on from a powerplant through an outlet on the wall.

Thanos instead became the powerplant itself.

Originally posted by Mr Master
THOTI was being tapped by both, but neither party was actually bonded to it like Thanos.

It's like Ak and the Order were a Radio,
getting it's energy to turn on from a powerplant through an outlet on the wall.

Thanos instead became the powerplant itself.

Okay, now I know that's wrong. The Marvel omniverse/multiverse existed way before the 616 universe came into existence, the proof is in the origin of Galactus. Galactus came from a previous universe, as Galan, and as his universe died, he was transformed into Galactus by the dying Eternity of that universe, and then the 616 universe was born, in a new Big Bang.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Okay, now I know that's wrong. The Marvel omniverse/multiverse existed way before the 616 universe came into existence, the proof is in the origin of Galactus. Galactus came from a previous universe, as Galan, and as his universe died, he was transformed into Galactus by the dying Eternity of that universe, and then the 616 universe was born, in a new Big Bang.

Originally posted by Galan007
The original "spark of creation", [what Reed and the Alien unleashed in those scans], came well before the time of Galactus..... Theoretically that "spark" would have initiated time itself.

Time in the 616 universe, but other universes existed in other spacetimes.

Originally posted by Galan007
The original "spark of creation",

[what Reed and the Alien unleashed in those scans], came well before the time of Galactus.....

Theoretically that "spark" would have initiated Time itself.

✅ ... and Space.

I also took something into consideration, a good point you brought up.
Did Reed & the Alien replace the IB?

I don't think so, because the "engine of Creation" was self perpetuated,
the Alien only shaped the Marvel Universe with Reed's guidance back to it's normality.

The Alien was able to travel back in Time while folding Time & Space. (tremendous feat)

Imo, the "engines of creation" are the IB's Infinite energies at work.
Or, the IB's been retconned,
and the "engines of creation" is God/Toaa creating the Marvel Universe on a piece of paper.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Time in the 616 universe, but other universes existed in other spacetimes.

The Marvel Universe depends on the 616 Reality to exist.

The 616 Universe is what holds all of Marvel together, indeed it is of Omniversal significance.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

According to Marvel.com
the Marvel Universe (616/Omniverse) has been completely erased and remade 4 times.

Reed & the Alien were the last ones to do it.

616 is not the omniverse. How do you explain Galactus' universe existing before the 616 universe?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
616 is not the omniverse. How do you explain Galactus' universe existing before the 616 universe?

Galan's Universe was the "previous Universe" (the Infinity Being's Universe imo)

That "previous universe" was ALL of Reality, then it died, it imploded into practically nothingness (Cosmic Egg) this practical nothingness is where Reed & the Alien were.

From this point the Spark of Creation was formed by the Alien's question.

Then the Alien used the Spark to ignite the Big Bang that thrice before has happened.

4 times in all has the Marvel Universe been erased and remade:

1. Sis-Neg
2. Genis & Entropy
3. Thanos/THOTI
3. Alien & Reed

The Marvel Universe (Omniverse) was first spawned in Galactus' Origin.

It is This Marvel Universe that has been completely Remade 4 times On Panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Marvel Universe depends on the 616 Reality to exist.

The 616 Universe is what holds all of Marvel together, indeed it is of Omniversal significance.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

According to Marvel.com

the Marvel Universe (616/Omniverse) has been completely erased and remade 4 times.

Reed & the Alien were the last ones to do it.

🙂

No, the Infinity Being destroyed itself in one motion, not slowly decayed like Galan's universe. The Infinity Being wasn't even a universe, it just was - it was the only being there was and it encompassed all of reality. There were no planets or races or other beings inside of it. Galan's universe is described as very similar to the 616 universe, with planets, stars, etc.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, the Infinity Being destroyed itself in one motion, not slowly decayed like Galan's universe.

You have absolutely no idea or proof how exactly the IB died. (neither do I)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The Infinity Being wasn't even a universe, it just was - it was the only being there was and it encompassed all of reality.

The IB was a Universe, an Infinite Universe exactly and yes, it did encompass that Universe.

The IB had no peers though, and eveything that existed in Reality was him,
so it's like if nothing existed at all save himself.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
There were no planets or races or other beings inside of it.

Proof? (or are you assuming this?)

Because Thanos clearly states that,

"ALL That Was, Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"

This clearly signifies that there was other things in the IB's Reality.
But there was nothing Apart from the IB, and so the IB was alone.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Galan's universe is described as very similar to the 616 universe, with planets, stars, etc.

The Reality the IB encompassed was a Universe. According to Marvel.

So a Universe is not a single person floating around in nothingness.

A Universe is exactly what you described:

Planets, Stars, Galaxies ect.

Thanos, Mephisto & Diana Darkshoppe, ALL stated
that the CURRENT Marvel Universe was spawed by the IB's death.

The New IG Bio corresponds with the IB's origin.

Do you have any reason to believe that when Galan was around there was only one universe?