Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you have any reason to believe that when Galan was around there was only one universe?
Not really, it may have been a Multiverse.
But remember even now the Omniverse is just One big Universe separated into pieces:
I thought the Marvel Universe was only the prime Multiverse,
but evidently Marvel has made it everything ... in other words ... the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not really, it may have been a Multiverse.But remember even now the Omniverse is just One big Universe separated into pieces:
I thought the Marvel Universe was only the prime Multiverse,
but evidently Marvel has made it everything ... in other words ... the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You just said the IB's existence was solitary, there was nothing but itself. There would have been no Galan, no Taa, no races of people or other beings other than itself.
Nah.
The IB was the only Sentience in it's Universe/Multiverse,
everything that was, was a part of him, it had no peers unlike Eternity.
See that's the difference,
the IB was basically what Eternity/Infinity is sortaspeak but on a grander scale.
Eternity/Infinity encompass everything in the Prime Multiverse, but they have Peers,
like Death, Oblivion, Galactus, LT and so on ... the IB did not.
So all other existence like Galan,
like the rest of the Realities there must've shared his consciousness. (the IB's)
This is making sense, that must be why the dying Universe was still Sentient and decided to bond to Galan to Create a completely New Reality (Current Marvel Universe)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well then it would have been Galan's universe that collapsed... Not the Omniverse. Which means that there would be universal eggs. Which means Edifice Rex wasn't everything he was cracked up to be.
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I disagree.
I never said it was an Omniverse or a Multiverse, I said it could be.
Yet, even if it was it's inconsequential, the Multiverse or Omniverse can fold in a flash.
It's been done.
This is besides the fact that the term "the Universe" is used to define everything.
Or were you under the impression that there was still a Multiverse or Omniverse still floating around while Galan's One Universe imploded and gave birth to the current Marvel Omniverse?
Where's the previous Multiverse/Omniverse that was left floating around?
Come on K, you know well that the beginning of the Current Marvel Universe came from Galactus' Origin. (In Galactus' Origin the Previous entire Universe implodes into a Cosmic Egg, just like the IB it was coincidentaly Sentient, 😉
If you tie in the Canon existence of the IB, then Galan's Universe must've been and/or part of the previous Reality which was the IB.
The reason the IB felt alone was because it was merged to everything like Eternity/Infinity in the Prime Multiverse, only their Peers and the few beings outside of their influence are apart from them.
Unlike the IB who was a part of everything. The whole purpose of the IB dying was to separate itself from the rest of Reality, and it did. But apparently it wanted to continue to exist, and so it imbued the Seven Gems with it's power & Consciousness.
The big question is who was the Previous Sentience of the Universe in Galactus' Origin?
Imo,
It was the IB.
""I am the Sentience of the Universe, like yourself I am dying,
but we need not die without an Heir,
let us become as one,
let our Death serve as Birth for a New Life Form hm
in Time shall be born a New Universe"
In All of Galactus' Origins the Previous Sentience was NOT that of Eternity's.
Eternity was born while Galan was already forming into Galactus:
"Eternity came into existence when the Universe was Born,
Galactus, sole survivor of the Previous Universe,
whose life was spared when the Previous Universe's version of Eternity merged with him"
The IB is not the previous version of Eternity, they are totaly different entities...
I'm saying, It's a pretty remarkable coincidence that Galan's universe collapsed at exactly the same time that EVERY other universe in the entire omniverse collapsed...
How can the other Multiverses be diverged from Galan's if they don't have any concepts in common with the prime Multiverse?
Originally posted by King Kandy
The IB is not the previous version of Eternity, they are totaly different entities...
The previous version of Eternity simply means
the Entity that encompassed Reality before Eternity did.
On Panel that entity was the IB.
And yes, they were and are totaly different entities, that's what I said in my last post.
When the Previous Sentience of the Universe (IB) was dying, it merged with Galan.
Galan continued on but was transformed into a new being Galactus,
the Previous Sentience of the Universe (IB)
before dying did imbue the Infinity Gems with it's power and Consciousness.
An entirely NEW Sentience/Reality was created
(current Eternity who blossomed into a Multiverse)
Space & Time continued to expand further into Sentient MegaverseS,
Space & Time continued to expand even further still into an Omniverse,
Space & Time is STILL expanding even now.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm saying, It's a pretty remarkable coincidence that Galan's universe collapsed at exactly the same time that EVERY other universe in the entire omniverse collapsed...
You're the one that's assuming there were other Universes.
You're also assuming that Galan's Universe was separate from the rest of Reality.
And again, even if there was a Multiverse or Omniverse in Galan's time,
do you have proof other Universes survived and only Galan's was erased?
I'm sure you do not.
Because according to every Galactus, Eternity, and Infinity bio,
there was a Previous Universe, it died, and from that Previous Universe
the current Omniverse was born.
The IB's Origin has not been retconned in the 2007 IG Bio so ... not much more to say.
Obviously the previous Universe was the IB.
Originally posted by King Kandy
How can the other Multiverses be diverged from Galan's if they don't have any concepts in common with the prime Multiverse?
Nothing diverged from Galan's.
A completely New creation was born from nothingness (Cosmic Egg)
The Previous Universe imploded,
a New Universe was born (the current Omniverse) from that implosion.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If there was no other sentience, then there would be no Galan, no race of people from Taa, and no other intelligent races or beings in that universe whatsoever.
Enough circles.
I explained myself thoroughly with proof, with statements backed by Marvel.
Believe what you wish. 🙂
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's not a circle.
Tow pages on the same detail on one subject is a circle.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're avoiding my argument.
dontgetit
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Do you deny that Galan and his race were sentient?
I gave you the most logical answer while keeping the canonicity Marvel has established concerning it's origins, I don't know what more you want but the discussion has hit a wall, you're trying to find loopholes around the IB's & Galactus' origins, in order to dispute on panel and bio proof.
We're going in circles and we will continue to go in circles
if you think I'll be swayed by personal theories based on personalized logic.
(you've provided no proof of any kind that disputes the Marvel bios,
on panel statements and Marvel.com definitions of the Marvel Universe)
For the record, this is my take on the Previous Universe:
Originally posted by Mr Master
The IB was the only Sentience in it's Universe/Multiverse,
everything that was, was a part of him, it had no peers unlike Eternity.See that's the difference,
the IB was basically what Eternity/Infinity is sortaspeak but on a grander scale.
Eternity/Infinity encompass everything in the Prime Multiverse, but they have Peers,
like Death, Oblivion, Galactus, LT and so on ... the IB did not.So all other existence like Galan,
like the rest of the Realities there must've shared his consciousness. (the IB's)
This is making sense, that must be why the dying Universe was still Sentient and decided to bond to Galan to Create a completely New Reality (Current Marvel Universe)
Galan was part of the Previous Sentience, like eveything else in the Previous Universe was.
Everything within Space & Time NOW (in the Multiverse) is part of Eternity/Infinity.
Difference?
Eternity/Infinity have Peers (there are OTHER separate Sentiences)
though they encompass everything in the Multiverse.
The IB did not have any Peers (no other Sentience apart from itself)
though it encompassed the previous Universe.
This is Why the IB was lonely.
..........................................................................................
That's my final say on the matter.
(when associating the Canon, UN-retconned Origins of Galactus & the IB,
stated in the 2006/07' Bios, on panel and at Marvel.com
🙂
I'd like to move on now, I don't want to clog the thread any further.
Thanx.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The previous version of Eternity simply means
the Entity that encompassed Reality before Eternity did.On Panel that entity was the IB.
And yes, they were and are totaly different entities, that's what I said in my last post.
When the Previous Sentience of the Universe (IB) was dying, it merged with Galan.
Galan continued on but was transformed into a new being Galactus,
the Previous Sentience of the Universe (IB)
before dying did imbue the Infinity Gems with it's power and Consciousness.An entirely NEW Sentience/Reality was created
(current Eternity who blossomed into a Multiverse)
Space & Time continued to expand further into Sentient MegaverseS,
Space & Time continued to expand even further still into an Omniverse,
Space & Time is STILL expanding even now.You're the one that's assuming there were other Universes.
You're also assuming that Galan's Universe was separate from the rest of Reality.And again, even if there was a Multiverse or Omniverse in Galan's time,
do you have proof other Universes survived and only Galan's was erased?I'm sure you do not.
Because according to every Galactus, Eternity, and Infinity bio,
there was a Previous Universe, it died, and from that Previous Universe
the current Omniverse was born.The IB's Origin has not been retconned in the 2007 IG Bio so ... not much more to say.
Obviously the previous Universe was the IB.
Nothing diverged from Galan's.
A completely New creation was born from nothingness (Cosmic Egg)
The Previous Universe imploded,
a New Universe was born (the current Omniverse) from that implosion.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, that's just plain wrong...
🙂
Originally posted by King Kandy
The only thing that existed besides the IB that existed was a handfull of demons that IB later destroyed in dissatisfaction (Got that from Marvelappendix).
As you wish.
Everything I got, I got from on panel depictions/statements and 06'/07 bios.
Oh, and Marvel.com. clarifications.
Any further inquiries concerning this subject email Marvel.
I only convey what's stated in official sources by Marvel,
in other words,
I can't explain why the Hulk is Green, I can only tell you that he is.
Same rule applies with the Marvel cosmology.
As for my final say on the matter:
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're the one that's assuming there were other Universes.
You're also assuming that Galan's Universe was separate from the rest of Reality.And again, even if there was a Multiverse or Omniverse in Galan's time,
do you have proof other Universes survived and only Galan's was erased?I'm sure you do not.
Because according to every Galactus, Eternity, and Infinity bio,
there was a Previous Universe, it died, and from that Previous Universe
the current Omniverse was born.The IB's Origin has not been retconned in the 2007 IG Bio so ... not much more to say.
Obviously the previous Universe was the IB.
Um no, I don't have to argue with marvel when you've just taken Marvel material and turned it into speculation...
It's just a crazy interpretation to say Galactus merged with the IB when every on panel and bio discription of his origin says that he fused with Eternity... Remember, abstracts survive the big bang.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um no, I don't have to argue with marvel when you've just taken Marvel material and turned it into speculation...
😆
Last Two pages,
anyone is free to read and see who's speculating. 😬
Originally posted by King Kandy
It's just a crazy interpretation to say Galactus merged with the IBwhen every on panel and bio discription of his origin says that he fused with Eternity...
Originally posted by Mr Master
In All of Galactus' Origins the Previous Sentience was NOT that of Eternity's.Eternity was born while Galan was already forming into Galactus:
"Eternity came into existence when the Universe was Born,
Galactus, sole survivor of the Previous Universe,
whose life was spared
when the Previous Universe's version of Eternity merged with him"
hum
You said:
Originally posted by King Kandy
every on panel and bio discription of his origin says that he fused with Eternity...
Evidently Eternity didn't even exist in the previous Universe.
"Eternity came into existence when the Universe was Born"
Originally posted by King Kandy
Remember, abstracts survive the big bang.
Nah.
The Abstracts survive the Big Bangs that take place NOW. (NOT from Cosmic Eggs)
(which are hardly anything in comparison with what the First Real Big Bang was)
Like the one Reed & the Alien Spark on panel confirmed by Marvel. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
They were at a point before time/creation was first sparked, and they seemingly recreated what the original Infinity Being first created... [ie. an infinite Universe which blossomed into the Omniverse of today].
Originally posted by Galan007
That's the thing though...Every subsequent Universe making up the Marvel Omniverse of today, springs from that initial 'infinite energy' Big Bang, which formed the first Universe, and spread outward from there.... Still expanding today.
So from previous mentions of how everything in Marvel was formed, it doesn't have to say Multiverse, or Omniverse, for us to know that's what was in fact created..
Originally posted by Galan007
The original "spark of creation", [what Reed and the Alien unleashed in those scans], came well before the time of Galactus..... Theoretically that "spark" would have initiated time itself.
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I wouldn't give Galan the Thumbs up... Especially when what he's posted directly contradicts you:
The original "spark of creation", [what Reed and the Alien unleashed in those scans], came well before the time of Galactus..... Theoretically that "spark" would have initiated time itself.
According to you, it was Galan who came first...
Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't give Galan the Thumbs up... Especially when what he's posted directly contradicts you:
Funny, how he was agreeing with me in all those posts,
but you see it as contradiction.
Originally posted by King Kandy
According to you, it was Galan who came first...
Of course Galan came first, Galan came from the previous Universe.
But Galan wasn't conscious.
And Galan was not able to become Galactus without Time,
so of course Time had to be initiated in order for Space to configure itself
into a functioning Universe.
Thus allowing Galan to develop into Galactus with Time.
"According to me?"
According to me,
the Previous Universe (only possibility it being the IB)
imploded into the Cosmic Egg (basically nothingness)
where the only Sentience that survived (Galactus) slumbered in an incubator within the Cosmic Egg
then the Cosmic Egg exploded (the Real Big Bang)
into a New Universe (current Marvel) which developed a New Sentience (Eternity)
During the creation process of the Universe, Galactus developed.
During the birth of the current Marvel Universe, Eternity was born.
btw. The Time betweeen the Previous implosion and the Big Bang is inconsequential,
bacause Time was meaningless at that point.
