Originally posted by celestialdemon
No. This one.
Unfortunately I don't have Death Metal issues.
But I'll try to get my hands on em,
this guy seems worthy of the thread.
Nice find CD. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master[/B][/QUOTE]
We're missingUmar (who has or had the Totality of Eternity's power)
This hasn't been retconned, in fact, it's Canon.
Also,
Protege and Scathan hm
So should we include them?
What requested revisions to this Hierarchy are out there and why?
NO SPAMMERS please. 🙂
The [B]NEW HIERARCHY
!1. TOAA/God (depicted as the Artist and Writer of Comics)
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2. (SHARED Spot)
The Infinity Being (created all the Realities)
THOTI (raw power of the Supreme Being)
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3. Scathan glare (I disaprove of this ... but it is Canon PIS)
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4. (SHARED Spot)
The LT (only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)
Protege (Protege never defeated the LT, he did copy his Power) ermmno I know, but it's Canon.
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5. The BeyonderS (tiny fraction of their power can Remake the Omniverse)
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6. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:
Jaspers 616 (more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - Fury)
Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.
Jamie Braddock: (Warped the WHR, creates Universes to play with,
Merged Jaspers & Fury,
manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right).......................................................................
7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:
Matrix empowered Merlyn: (fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)
Edifice Rex: (was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)
Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (the embodiment of Omniversal connection)
FP CCU: (Remade the Omniverse, and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)
IG: (4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities, so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)
Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right: (the Hand of God, can sunder the Omniverse)
FP Meggan: (absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ... paused the Chaos Wave)
(These THREE I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)HOM Wanda: (a Universal Warper, that can collapse the Omniverse,
if she uses her power even at a Global scale)Vangaard: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)
The Celestial Nullifier: (can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)
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8. The Brothers: (guardians/embodiments of Two MegaverseS)
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(Multiversal Powers)
9. Masters of the Matrix: (their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix" the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)
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10. The UN: (can erase and Remake the Multiverse)
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11. Abraxas: (can collapse a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts in the Multiverse simultaneously).......................................................................
12. Molecule Man: (Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)
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13. Entropy (can Re-Create the Multiverse from nothingness)
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14. (SHARED Spot)
Umar (Posesses the Totality of Eternity's Power) ... Canon PIS.
Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (embodiment of the Multiverse)
Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)
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15. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.
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16. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:
The Infinites (handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)
The Makers (they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)
Atleza (Anchors an entire Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)
Galactus Insatiable (only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universe)Genis Insane/Photon or Full potential (seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)
The Rot (erases Time & Space)
The Hunger (devours UniverseS)
Slorioth (absorbs UniverseS at all times)
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17. (SHARED Spot) in Order:
1. 616 Eternity/Infinity (embodiments of the 616 Universe)
2. White Phoenix of the Crown (can amputate a Timeline and Repair it)
3. Korvac (empowered by Galactus' World Ship) (made subtle Warps in the 616 Universe)
4. 616 (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)
5. Rest of the Abstracts
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18. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:
1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's
2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)
3. rest of the Abstracts [/B]
Originally posted by Xplosive
Mr Master, where is you latest hirearchy list?
The HIERARCHY!
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All time list ....
0. Toaa/god
(depicted as the Artists and Writers of Marvel Comics)
THOTI:
(raw power & status of the Supreme Being withIN the Omniverse)
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1. Classic Beyonder
beneath him ... Classic Molecule Man:
(yall know why)
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2. The Infinity Being:
(his power was the first to create all the Realities in current Marvel
he also created the Infinity Gems)
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3. (SHARED Spot)
The LT
(only TOAA is above him Now, only THOTI has defeated him)
Scathan (GOTG) (I disaprove of this ... but it is Canon)
(pwnd Protege who copied the LT's power - he may be equal to the LT)
Protege
(Protege never defeated the LT, he did copy his Power)
I know, but it's Canon.
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(Shared Spot)
Alien Entity
(folded the entire Omniverse to the point before its creation (the Void)
then re-created the Omniverse with Reed's mind literally from nothingness)
The BeyonderS
(tiny fraction of their energy empowers CCUs)
HOM Wanda:
(completely re-structured 616, subconciously collapsed the Omniverse,
consciously rebuilt the Omniverse from its collapse)
Sis-Neg:
(he did the same thing the Alien Entity did when Marvel was a single Universe)
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6. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:
Classic Jaspers 616
(more powerful than Merlyn, could only be defeated by a Plot Device - Fury)
Not too sure how I should rank the Fury itself.
Jamie Braddock:
(Warped the WHR, can create from scratch using Quantum Strings,
controls entire Universes if he chooses, Merged Jaspers & Fury,
manipulated the salvation of the Omniverse during HOM ... oh yes, that's right)
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7. SHARED Spot: (Omniversal powers) in no particular order:
Matrix empowered Merlyn: (if applicable)
(fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into tiny Crystals)
Edifice Rex:
(was going to return the Omniverse to it's Cosmic Egg)
Havok merged with the Nexus of All Realities: (if applicable)
(the embodiment of Omniversal connection)
FP CCU:
(Remade the Omniverse,
and in another story nearly destroyed the Omniverse for good)
IG:
(4 Gems nearly collapsed ALL the Realities,
were creating UniverseS back to back and stacking them,
so imagine the 6 Gems in the IG)
Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of Right:
(the Hand of God, can sunder the Omniverse)
FP Meggan:
(absorbed power from the Pan-Dimensional Beyond "BeyonderS" ...
paused the Chaos Wave for a moment)
(These Two I'll leave here ... but beneath the others,
since they can't affect the Omniverse completely simultaneously)
Vangaard:
(can erase any Universe in the Omniverse he so chooses)
The Celestial Nullifier:
(can erase any Universe in the Omniverse)
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8. The Brothers:
(guardians/embodiments of Two MegaverseS)
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(Multiversal Powers)
9. Masters of the Matrix:
(their Realm - the Martix Microverse - a small micro-Universe outside the Multiverse, they overlook the "Blueprint Matrix" the focal point of Creation from which the entire Multiverse was spawned)
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10. The UN:
(can erase and Remake the Multiverse)
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11. Abraxas:
(can collapse a Universe just by coming near it,
can kill a being and all his counter-parts in the Multiverse simultaneously)
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12. Molecule Man:
(Warped Reality within every Universe in the Multiverse, nearly collapse the Multiverse)
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13. (SHARED Spot)
Entropy:
(can Re-Create the Multiverse (and indeed marvel) from nothingness)
Umar:
(Possesses/shares the Totality of Eternity's Power) ... Canon PIS.
Multi or (Totality) of Eternity/Infinity (or 616 consciousness)
(embodiment of the Multiverse)
Multi or (Totality) of Death and Oblivion (or 616 consciousness of said Concepts)
(embodiment of Multiversal Death and Nothingness)
Nth Man:
(embodiment of another Multiverse,
can absorb Universes from the Prime Multiverse easily)
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14. Multi or (Totality) of the rest of the Major Concepts/Abstracts of the Multiverse.
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15. (SHARED Spot) in no particular order:
The Infinites:
(handled an Aspect of Eternity like a child, they maintain the Multiverse)
The Makers:
(they can Re-arrange entire Universes to fit their desires)
Atleza:
(Anchors the Prime Universe (616) from being pulled into the Void/Obivion)
Galactus Insatiable:
(only seen once) ... Potentially Higher ...
(was in the process of absorbing a Universal Timeline connected to 616,
according to Reed & GOTG, Galactus was going to absorb the Omniverse basically)
Genis Insane/Photon at Full potential he would be towards the top:
(seen during HOM) can blink a Universe In and Out of existence)
Assisted Entopry in erasing the Prime Multiverse.
FP: was seen by the Thunderbolts erasing 616 Reality and all its Timelines in the Future)
The Rot:
(erases Time & Space/Reality)
The Hunger:
(devours Time & Space/Reality)
Slorioth:
(absorbs Universal Reality at all times)
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16. (SHARED Spot) in Order:
1. White Phoenix of the Crown:
(can amputate a Timeline and Repair it within the WHR)
2. Korvac:
(empowered by Galactus' World Ship)
(made subtle warps in the 616 Universe)
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17. (alternate and divergent UniverseS) in Order:
1. ALL Other Eternity/Infinity's
2. ALL Other (Death - Lord Chaos & Master Order)
3. rest of the Abstracts
Thanks!
I know what were Classic Beyonder and MM, but would remove them, since it was retconned (I know it is all time list), but those two, hence the retcon, never were all that.
I wouldn't share Scahtan with LT, since he was shown to be higher than him, although it is said LT only second to TOAA, but not in this case. Protege is equal to LT or logically, potentially more powerful.
I would also give Wanda to share the place with LT.
And based how was sometimes Impossible Man written, he should be in the first place, easily, if not counting TOAA.
I would give Havok with nexus beyond MJJ and Jamie and actually to share with LT and Wanda. The difference was, that he actually became one with it. I wouldn't be surprised, if he would take Wanda out.
I think he should be able to do anything, even with the top tiers, due to what he had become, the actual embodiment. But maybe should have more feats.
My opinion.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd all you're capable of doing is making an appeal to authority on the subject.
Don't be so specific in a fictional creation.Besides,
the one Kubik gave was more intricate:Kosmos says,
"Infinity by it's very nature is unsurpassable."
Kubik replies,
"Consider then the Set called Whole Numbers - 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on, is it not Infinite?"
Kosmos answers,
"Obviously."
Kubik retorts,
"Then consider the Set called Even Numbers - 2, 4, 6, 8 and so on, how long is it?
Kosmos responds,
"Why Infinite of course."
Kubik with wisdom,
"Half of Infinity is still Infinity, and the same would be true of the Set of Odd Numbers?
Kosmos answers,
"Of course."
........................................................................................Kubik explains,
"Both Sets are Infinite, and yet the Set of Whole Numbers contains BOTH Subsets,
and is therefore TWICE as Large as either Subset Alone"
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Kubik finishes,
"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of Infinity,
there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"
🙂
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This subject is dead concerning this thread yall
Marvel comics is what rules in this thread, and Marvel comics alone.
Them using a word wrong does not make it right within their comics, despite whatever you may think it does NOT justify marvel using terms and phrases incorrectly.
If I call a cat a car, it does not make the cat a car. It simply means I've used a term incorrectly. And Marvel is NOT an authority on proper word usage as they also refer to Jubilee as a pyrokinetic. Them calling her a pyrokinetic doesn't MAKE her a pyrokinetic. Them calling something infinite does not make it infinite. Them calling something an omniverse doesn't make it an omniverse. Them calling a cat a car would no more make the cat a car than I would.
And your opinion that them calling something makes it that something is an invalid appeal to authority.
Infinity includes ALL the numbers. Infinity + 1 is still infinity. Infinity times infinity is.. you guess it, infinity. If something is infinity in the first level the second level is not MORE infinity. It's much a kin to a child or a retarded person saying "More bestest". Gibberish nonsense. Or Articulate quasi-animte transitory plasmoids... Complete hogwash.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And all you're capable of doing is making an appeal to authority on the subject.Them using a word wrong does not make it right within their comics, despite whatever you may think it does NOT justify marvel using terms and phrases incorrectly.
If I call a cat a car, it does not make the cat a car. It simply means I've used a term incorrectly. And Marvel is NOT an authority on proper word usage as they also refer to Jubilee as a pyrokinetic. Them calling her a pyrokinetic doesn't MAKE her a pyrokinetic. Them calling something infinite does not make it infinite. Them calling something an omniverse doesn't make it an omniverse. Them calling a cat a car would no more make the cat a car than I would.
And your opinion that them calling something makes it that something is an invalid appeal to authority.
Infinity includes ALL the numbers. Infinity + 1 is still infinity. Infinity times infinity is.. you guess it, infinity. If something is infinity in the first level the second level is not MORE infinity. It's much a kin to a child or a retarded person saying "More bestest". Gibberish nonsense. Or Articulate quasi-animte transitory plasmoids... Complete hogwash.
the instant I saw you were back on the same tip I ignored the rest of your post.
No offense dogs
but I asked you respectfully not to spam the thread with more anit-Marvel rhetoric.
I'm honestly not interested in any opinions that directly contradict Marvel comic book facts.
So once again,
according to Marvel Comics,
withIN the fantasy/fictional world of Marvel comics,
"there are levels of Infinity."
If you dislike/disagree with this fact,
take it up with Marvel. 🙂
This isn't the thread for that.
Hey make a thread on the subject, and do you. 👆
(but please keep it out of here ... thanx friend)
Originally posted by celestialdemon
It is also theoretically and logically impossible for two beings to have evolved from cubes and have the power to manipulate reality, but there they are.The simple fact is
Marvel makes its own rules.
If it says there are levels of infinity, then there are.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I know what were Classic Beyonder and MM, but would remove them, since it was retconned (I know it is all time list), but those two, hence the retcon, never were all that.
While they're definitely not at their classic levels,
they are still very impressive, especially Molecule Man.
The LT himself called Owen Reece (limited version)
"One of the most powerful beings in all Creation" (Omniverse)
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In that issue, MM & Beyonder (Post-retcon) battled,
during that fight,
reality within realities across the entire Multiverse and beyond were warped.
"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal,
Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"
You know what "Trans-" means right?
Oh yea, ... this is very impressive.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I wouldn't share Scahtan with LT,
since he was shown to be higher than him,
although it is said LT only second to TOAA,
but not in this case.
Also, LT never battled Protege,
and Protege had just acquired LT's powers,
I doubt he could've harnessed them as effectively as the LT
who's had them forever,
you feel me?
But Scathan did show sufficient dominance to be considered atleast LT level.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Protege is equal to LT or logically, potentially more powerful.
And Protege could never be more powerful than the LT,
because in the end the LT stated that power beyond this existence is meaningless.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I would also give Wanda to share the place with LT.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And based how was sometimes Impossible Man written,
he should be in the first place, easily, if not counting TOAA.
We may have to consider this further, cause you're actually right.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I would give Havok with nexus beyond MJJ and Jamie and actually to share with LT and Wanda.
The difference was, that he actually became one with it.
I wouldn't be surprised, if he would take Wanda out.
I think he should be able to do anything, even with the top tiers,
due to what he had become, the actual embodiment.
But maybe should have more feats.
That's where Marvel's concept of "levels of Infinity" fits in.
Merlyn/Matyrix can do anything Havok can,
and yet 238 Jaspers (who had only warped one Universe at the time)
was more powerful than Merlyn
(who fused the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals to be used with the CN)
Originally posted by manjaro
i dont know how this works,
but i think the brothers should be greater than classic jaspers
if not at the very least a shared spot
Matrix/Merlyn's power was off the charts (Omniversal)
and he admitted that not only Jaspers was too powerful for him,
but that even Jaspers 238 (weaker version) had already twarted his abilities.
Jasper's Warp would have undoubtably remade the entire Omniverse
if not for the plot device (the Fury)
On panel, Cobweb actually peered into the Future
and saw it happening in a reality were Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury.
Originally posted by manjaro
....btw when was the CN brought into play in MU?
The weapon itself was created by Merlyn,
we know this because it originated in Otherworld
and Merlyn created everything in Otherworld
after he merged with the Omniversal Energy Matrix.
As you can see,
he also created the Captain Britain Corps
who were managed by the Omniversal Tribune,
in other words, Merlyn must've set that up too.
Originally posted by manjaro
thanx cuz i remeber reading Moore's cap brit. and the bald guy who was vying for the top spot was all like " with a melo-dramatic adjusting of these dials so shall an enitre universe be obliterated, and blah blah" and boom everything except the fury was dead so i was wondrering if that was it [/B]
Roma then took a more active role,
and at some point during the first Britain series,
she became the manager of the Britain corps,
she also became the keeper/wielder of the CN.
