Originally posted by Juntai
He is."There must be transdimensional consultation with his hooded spectral ally".
Obviously refering to Spectre, but not to infringe on copyrights.
I'm talking about the Bio retcon, of 2006.
The artistic depiction took place in 97'
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"
So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses.
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
See,
the "Brothers" are TWO Marvel Megaverses now within the Marvel Omniverse, and have NOTHING to do with Spectre.
Originally posted by Juntai
So who would you say it is speaking of then, and who helped him do it?
If your talking about the Scan then it seems like it's the Spectre, if you read my last reply to you, you'll see I said the BIO does NOT give ANY indication of the Spectre being involved.
Originally posted by Juntai
Seems to me... if anything.... its merely suggesting, that the two companies exist within a single omniverse, as there is only one, but different sides.
I don't think so.
This is Roma's Starlight Citidel,
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
The Torch has no idea what he's dealing with here, Gatecrasher lets him know:
"she represents power absolute, OVER ALL the Worlds in ALL the Infinite Tapestry of being"
And she's BENEATH Roma, lol...
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"
"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"
"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"
"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
You telling me Roma and Saturnyne can ERASE the DC Universe?
Since back in the day Marvel has it's own Omniverse and evidently even to this day.
Originally posted by Juntai
His hooded spectral ally is obviously Spectre. Sorry.
No need to apologize.
Like I said before and like I proved before that has been retconned.
No matter who the "hooded spectral ally" is, the Book came out in Mar. 97' (Ten Years ago) that was the First retcon of the Brothers that I know of.
The Second retcon took place some time after (exactly when I can't say, I'll look into it)
But Marvel has it's own Omniverse, and as the Bio clearly states, the Brothers have been retconned into TWO MARVEL Megaverses withIN the MARVEL Omniverse and NOTHING more.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ommission doesnt equal retcon. We can assume Spectres name wasnt mentioned due to copyright.
Perhaps.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Either way the bio DIDNT say LT singlehandedly fashioned the brothers. It says "HELPED"!!
True.
But it doesn't necessarily need to be referring to Spectre neither, it could be talking about TOAA, which makes sense.
Spectre CAN'T be involved in the private affairs of the Marvel Omniverse.
Since the "Brothers" are NOW TWO Marvel Megaverses withIN the Marvel Omniverse, it stands to reason that Spectre had NOTHING to do with this.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
KAY? 😱Take it away Juntai. 😄
You see how I didn't post once in your thread, how I didn't dispute even one of your interpretations,
if you wish to post in MY thread don't Troll with this snidely bull shit
In fact smilies are not permitted here if they're being used to irritate.
Originally posted by Juntai
So this is all your theory and has no base on panel?
What more base you want?
Excluding the Marvel vs DC garbage, when was the last time you saw Spectre inside of Marvel?
If we except that Spectre is involved in the "Fashioning" of the Brothers, (which took place MANY YEARS AFTER the Brothers appeared in the Marvel vs DC garbage, then we have to except that Spectre is an authority in the Marvel Omniverse which is bull shit
So what are you getting at?
Spectre doesn't manipulate Megaverses in Marvel just like LT had nothing to do with Spectre and his row of "Universal bubbles" ....
Originally posted by Juntai
The bio still suggests he had help,
Actually the bio suggest that HE (LT) was the one "Helping"
So LT was helping Spectre manipulate the Brothers which belong to the Marvel Omniverse? ❌
Originally posted by Juntai
and it once again seems to point at having help from his spectral hooded ally, just once again careful not to infringe on copyright.
I think not.
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
Where do you see any "help" from the spectral hooded ally?"
I can't see it, point it out for me.
Originally posted by King Kandy
If the bio contradicts on panel evidence, then it should be excluded.That's the criteria you yourself put fourth when asked about the validity of bio's.
The bio doesn't contradict On Panel evidence, Marvel has had it's OWN Omniverse since the 80's ... IF the "spectral hooded ally" is truly a reference to the Spectre then THAT CONTRADICTS the Historical Marvel Cosmology that has been established since the 80's.
I can produce a shit load of Scans depicting the Marvel Omniverse, which is run by Roma, NEVER once have I come across an issue that even remotely hints towards Spectre being part of the Marvel Reality.
And again, if Spectre is part of the Marvel Omniverse, then so is DC,
which means Roma can ERASE the DC Reality with her Celestial Nullifier 😂 And that's rediculous ...
See what I mean, Spectre has NOTHING to do with Marvel!
Originally posted by King Kandy
Since Spectre is said to be involved on panel, and in the bio he isn't, then the on-panel dipiction should win, right? You clearly stated that.
WHERE is Spectre involved in this Scan?
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for HE IS its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty HAND"
"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"
I ONLY see the Living Tribunal getting the CREDIT right here.
Alpha & Omega REVOLVE on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny Spun by His Hand" (ONE Hand/ LT's Hand ONLY) NOT their Hands, "by HIS Hand"
"A HAND (ONE Hand/ LT's Hand ONLY) soon Opening to ALLOW TWO Brothers"
and ONLY this Judge knows why
So the recap:
1. Alpha & Omega (the Beginning & the End) are Spun by the Living Tribunal's Hand ALONE!
(Where's the Spectre or his "spectral hooded ally" now?)
2. When the Living Tribunal's Hand ALONE Opens it will ALLOW the Two Brothers to shape their respective Megaverses.
(Where's the Spectre or his "spectral hooded ally" now?)
3. and only the Living Tribunal knows why.
(Where's the Spectre or his "spectral hooded ally" now?)
Anything else potna?
Even in this Scan,
nothing is mentioned about the "hooded spectral ally" having anything to do with process on a physical level,
all that is mentioned is a "Consultation"
"HE sits at the CENTER of ALL Things, feeling the flow of Countless Realities, their FATE irrevocably determined through the Judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS Great Scheme of Things"
First there must be the Consultation with his "hooded, spectral ally"
And again, even in this Scan, it's the Living Tribunal getting ALL the CREDIT, and this mysterious "spectral ally" is a "Consultant" ...
HE sits at the CENTER of ALL Things
ALONE!
Countless Realities, their FATE ... determined through HIS Judgment
His Judgement Alone!
Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal HAS a Place for
Both Megaverses are at the mercy of the Living Tribunal, and the Living Tribunal Alone!
in HIS Great Scheme of Things"
Does it say Their great scheme?
Or HIS Great Scheme?
Why ISN'T the "hooded spectral ally" even mentioned once?
Or wait, that's right, the "hooded spectral ally" will "Advise" LT.
Then the Living Tribunal, ACCORDING to the On Panel evidence, will DO EVERYTHING HIMSELF!
Originally posted by Juntai
You can interpret and speculate however you wish.
Everything I've said is On Panel and in the Bio.
Originally posted by Juntai
I was just commenting about you saying Spectre is not mentioned to that other guy earlier in the thread, when clearly he is referenced on panel.
Yea, as a "Consultant"
While the Living Tribunal did all the work, check my last two posts, they break it down lovely.
Originally posted by Juntai
Lt and Spectre apperently rub shoulders a little, and hit eachother up on the transdimensional horn.
Perhaps,
do you know of another incident besides Marvel vs DC where they appeared in the same Comic Book?
Or are You Interpreting and Speculating however you wish now? 😉
Bottome line:
If you want me to say that Spectre is manipulating Megaverses in the Marvel Omniverse,
then you have to concede that Roma can ERASE the DC Reality, because Roma can erase any section of Marvel Omniverse.
Otherwise, let's just end it here, cause we'll begin doing circles thus clogging the thread.
Originally posted by Juntai
I'm not going to rattle off any amount of speculation, I'm just pointing out that it does indeed reference Spectre. And several others see it too.
I'm not that obtuse friend, I can see that phrase, "hooded, spectral ally" easily being interpreted as being the "Spectre." but since his name is not mentioned, it's not him. (perhaps they wanted to keep it close in memory to the DC vs Marvel garbage, so they threw in that phrase to give it some sort of subliminal relation)
1. The On Panel statement say's LT needed a "Consultation" with his "hooded spectral ally" in order to proceed.
2. The Bio says, LT "Helped" Fashion the Brothers.
1. Why would LT need Spectre's "advise" on matters concerning Megaverses within the Marvel Omniverse?
2. Why would LT be the one "Helping" Spectre manipulate the Brothers which belong to the Marvel Omniverse?
3. If your going to continue to pump the idea that Spectre had something to do with the Brothers, after their retcon,
then you will also have to pump the idea that Roma can ERASE the DC Reality from the Omniverse.
I already proved my point.
Marvel vs DC is a Joke Arc that's NOT even Canon, an issue directed by the VOTES of Fans, why are we even discussing this?
Originally posted by King KandyDuh, his hooded spectral ally is obviously The One Above All. That's the only one the Tribunal must consult with. Apperently he went all mysterious cape and cowl and spectral on us, and went so far as to move transdimensionally to somewhere else.
Mr. M, you seem to be inplying that it is NOT refering to Spectre.surely that's not the case? I don't see who else it could be refering to.
