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Originally posted by Mr Master
The Marvel Universe, or "Man's Universe" ... is a Multiverse!

"The [B]Earth Universe is embodied in the Entity known as Eternity"

"Man's Universe has its own, INFINITE Number of Variants ... known as Alternate Universes"

***(Alternate Universes = a Multiverse)***

Is this just Dr Strange speculating?

I think not,

here it is On Panel,

Eternity (the Marvel Universe) appears before Dr. Strange

"Eternity ... you who are the Beginning and the End and the All of Time itself"

Eternity (the Marvel Universe)

"When He raises a Hand which holds WHOLE Universes within it" [/B]

Welcome back 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Galactus's origin... This has never been ret-conned On Panel

Which comic are these from again? I forget. Would you also happen to know the artist?

616 Eternity as we know him is a type of multiverse if you will, because he is a main timeline, which also features breaks (e.g alternate futures) and associated with him are other dimensions (e.g Mephistos Realm, the various skyfather dimensions, Dormammus realm etc) Think of him more as a continuity.

However the multiverse proper, is composed of an infinite amount of these Eternitys and that proper multiverse is Multi- Eternity. Different writers use different ideas, but the most common consensus is that 616 Eternity is a universe and that was what was presented in his handbook entry.

Thanos destroyed one of these continuities. Which is why he referred to a universe, multiple times as shown.

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Again with the Spam?

This Bio site is Officially APPROVED by Marvel,

www.marvunapp.com

Marvel even directs Official Handbook readers to it,

for extra information and even corrections can be found to Handbook Errors

(from the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)

Look at what I found!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ... but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"

So I was right from the beginning, it was the Multiverse Thanos Absorbed.

yawn

If anyone is interested in the THOTI event as a debate,

visit here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/440787_38-the-lt-vs-micheal-the-arc-angel

I do not want to discuss this in this thread, with anyone

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Again with the Spam?

This Bio site is Officially APPROVED by Marvel,

www.marvunapp.com

[B] Marvel even directs Official Handbook readers to it,

for extra information and even corrections can be found to Handbook Errors

(from the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)

Look at what I found!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ... but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"

So I was right from the beginning, it was the Multiverse Thanos Absorbed.

yawn [/B]

Myt last post handles your reference to multiverse and what youre trying to imply.

Your own evidence can be used against you, because it supports the fact that 616 Eternity is referred to as a multiverse, because he has many dimensions connected with him.

Your own evidence also highlights that there is a Multi Eternity and he and 616 Eternity are NOT the same thing.

My previous post on HOTI handled the matter quite conclusively, i have backing from the very comic it happened in (Marvel The End 6), LT's bio entry and multiple issues of Thanos' own series where he referred to just a UNIVERSE. 616 Eternity is indeed a multiverse of sorts, but you need to learn to distinguish between him and Multi-Eternity. Thanos references make it quite clear that he was referring to just the universe/pseudo multiverse that is 616 Eternity.

That will be all.

The Mkraan Crystal event.

If the LATTICE were to breakdown, the Neutron Galaxy will Suck in the Universe and Phoenix

When the Lattice of the Mkraan Crystal was REPAIRED by Phoenix, she NEEDED the rest of the X-Men to do it

Here Phoenix Tries to FIX the Lattice Alone

"But it's NOWHERE NEAR good enough"

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together

Phoenix even says, their "ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

On another occasion Xavier solidifies this Fact!

HELD in Check by a Series of Interlocking Stasis Fields

"Phoenix flew into the Energy Matrix And, with the X-MEN'S HELP, knitted the Fields back together again"

The Neutron Galaxy is the Force that destroys a Universe

Actually when she tried Repairing the Lattice on her own,

Phoenix was getting ABSORBED (Erased from existence) by the N-Galaxy

With the Life-Force of ALL the X-Men she Anchors herself to Reality, to avoid being ABSORBED

"the Patterns of her life of the X-Men's LIVES, BECOME ONE with the Lattice"

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

"AND THEN SUDDENLY", The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"

"XAVIER its CROWN and COLOSSUS its BASE"

"EACH X-MAN HAS a PLACE, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself"

SO ACCORDING to ISSUE itself, Straight from the WRITER'S Mouth.

XAVIER, COLOSSUS, WOLVERINE, KORSAIR, BANSHEE, CYCLOPS, STORM, and NIGHTCRAWLER, ALL GAVE their LIFE-FORCE to HELP Jean Knit the Lattice Back Together.

After the job is done, Even with the HELP of ALL the X-Men, Phoenix FALLS UNCONSCIOUS from Exhaustion

btw.

Phoenix has ALWAYS NEEDED the X-Men's HELP, (here's another occasion)

when attempting to Repair the Lattice:

"We must gather and Join ... FUSE our ESSENCES with that of the Phoenix"

"Clasp hands now ... become ONE with the being who is M'Kraan's Guardian"

"They exist as a Single Entity now, these X-Men" ...

"as ONE MIND & SPIRIT they focused on Restoring the Nexus of Realities"

As your own evidence shows she both re-energized the field and knitted it together. So trying to say she just knitted it together, or disputing the fact that with her power she was able to contain the multiversal power of the crystal is a dud.

Phoenix did use the life forces of the X-men to anchor her to the physical plane so she could do her work as stated, she did have their life forces to give her moral support and strength to do the feat, however given the scal eof the crystals power and the combined power level of the X-men involved (Nightcrawler, Colossus, Cyclops, Wolverine, Corsair etc) who do you think did the lionshare of the work?

Thats cool.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As your own evidence shows she both re-energized the field and knitted it together. So trying to say she just knitted it together, or disputing the fact that with her power she was able to contain the multiversal power of the crystal is a dud.

Phoenix did use the life forces of the X-men to anchor her to the physical plane so she could do her work as stated, she did have their life forces to give her moral support and strength to do the feat, however given the scal eof the crystals power and the combined power level of the X-men involved (Nightcrawler, Colossus, Cyclops, Wolverine, Corsair etc) who do you think did the lionshare of the work?

Thats cool.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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That's a valid argument GS is making.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Which comic are these from again? I forget. Would you also happen to know the artist?

Anyway, here is the cover.

rock on

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not Cool...

That's a valid argument GS is making.

Very valid.

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

"AND THEN SUDDENLY", The SPIRITS of the X-MEN are WITH HER, GIVING of THEMSELVES AS STORM and CORSAIR GAVE"

"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"

About as valid as Phoenix "containing the 'Multiversal' power of the Crystal"

pointandlaugh "Multiversal power"

So was this Humor or sarcasm? 🙂

Yeah... But it's obvious that Phoenix did a lot more then the X-Men power wise.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah... But it's obvious that Phoenix did a lot more then the X-Men power wise.

Really?

Where is it stated that Phoenix was any more important than the rest of the X-Men?

Where is it stated that Phoenix used a lot more power?

Review the scans K, or pick Uncanny X-Men #108, you'll see Phoenix could NOT re-knit the Lattice alone,

and Phoenix even with the X-Men NEVER Contained the power of the N-Galaxy.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"

"ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

the Point of No Return

If Phoenix with or without the X-Men was able to "Contain" the power of the N-G,

why would she be worried of "the Point of No Return?" dontgetit

All the X-Men and Phoenix did was Knit back together what was Truly Containing the Power of the N-G,

just like X recounted in a later issue.

"Phoenix flew into the Energy Matrix And, with the X-MEN'S HELP, Knitted the Fields back together again"

This intern re-energized the Lattice.

Bottom line:

Without the X-Men, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to do anything ... period.

I leave you with this:

Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy when she tried to do it alone.

nuff said.

swank

Most of the time Mr Master is right and this time is one of them 🙂, disagreeing is a different story 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?

Where is it stated that Phoenix was any more important than the rest of the X-Men?

Where is it stated that Phoenix used a lot more power?

Review the scans K, or pick Uncanny X-Men #108, you'll see Phoenix could NOT re-knit the Lattice alone,

and Phoenix even with the X-Men NEVER Contained the power of the N-Galaxy.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"

"[B]ONLY Hope is to Knit the Lattice Back Together BEFORE it PASSES the Point of No Return"

the Point of No Return

If Phoenix with or without the X-Men was able to "Contain" the power of the N-G,

why would she be worried of "the Point of No Return?" dontgetit

All the X-Men and Phoenix did was Knit back together what was Truly Containing the Power of the N-G,

just like X recounted in a later issue.

"Phoenix flew into the Energy Matrix And, with the X-MEN'S HELP, Knitted the Fields back together again"

This intern re-energized the Lattice.

Bottom line:

Without the X-Men, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to do anything ... period.

I leave you with this:

Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy when she tried to do it alone.

nuff said.

swank [/B]

Mr. M, would u have the scan with Ashema the Listener and Eternity

Mr. M... You know that scan where the Gaurdians of the Galaxy Phoenix (Forgot his name) heals Eternity? Who's the floating head guy in that?