Originally posted by Rewmac
I'm only curious about Captain Marvel...I mean Genis. I got all the comics and stuff. But his physical strenght where does it has it's limits?
If you have all his issues check out Captain Marvel version 5, he destroys Eternity the Universe and helps Entropy become the New Universe.
Also in New Thunderbolts #11, Wanda accelerates his powers to Full potential.
Where would you place Aegis and Tenebrous on your list....
They are each as powerful as Galactus and not only beat him, but they demolished a superpowered surfer:
1. http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1026hv9.jpg
2. http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1027nc2.jpg
3. http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1028wm5.jpg
4. http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1029ed2.jpg
5. http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1030rk3.jpg
6. http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilation1031032en6.jpg
Im just curious 😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
If you have all his issues check out Captain Marvel version 5, he destroys Eternity the Universe and helps Entropy become the New Universe.Also in New Thunderbolts #11, Wanda accelerates his powers to Full potential.
I didn't know there is a version 5 of Genis's comics. I thought it ended with volume 4.
Originally posted by Galan777
Where would you place Aegis and Tenebrous on your list....They are each as powerful as Galactus and not only beat him, but they demolished a superpowered surfer:
Im just curious 😄
It's true each of them are equal to Galactus in power, but they're not essential to the Universe like Galactus, (like they die, they die, but if Big G dies then the Multi-verse dies, eventually at the hands of Abraxas)
But my list is based on Power output not Essentiality, so my babbling is meaningless.
All three should be below Lord Chaos, Master Order and White Phoenix of the Crown, somewhere mixed in with the other Abstracts, that's a foggy area though so its hard to judge the lower Abstract levels.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Dimension of Manisfestation, where Abstract beings go to get Bodies
*snip*
Quasar meets the thing that runs this place, "the Prime Manifester"
*snip*
*snip*The Prime Manifester and his people serve as the Manisfestation-Bodies for beings who have no physical form
*snip*
The M-bodies have a Symbiotic Relationship with the Abstract beings, an EXCHANGE of ENERGIES.
*snip*
Thank you, that was helpful.
SYMBIOTIC means: interaction between [b]two different organisms living in close physical association, typically to the advantage of both.
Note the bolded part.
What I tell ya,Ok, and this settles it, once and for all.
There are countless Manifestations of Eternity, because each Eternity represents ONE Universe in a boundless Multi-verse.
Quasar asks, "What's the story with this Eternity"?
Epoch answers, "This is a recently MANIFESTED Aspect of Eternity"
This seems to say that each M - body isn't a different universe's Eternity, it's just a different part of the same Eternity that is manifesting itself for a different situation or purpose.
Quasar says, "You mean THIS One corresponds to something that's going on in the Universe NOW? He looks Catatonic"
So that means the earlier ones would be times Eternity needed to manifest in the universe beforehand, right?
*snip*
And so this M-body, which is the same as the REAL Eternity, really was Catatonic
two different organisms, remember?
Ofcourse you don't see it saying M-body, that M-body crap was only mentioned in that Quasar issue, NEVER again.This "real Eternity" looks exactly like the "M-body Eternity", which was my point from the beginning, they're the SAME THING.
two different organisms.
No.M-bodies are only exactly what their names implies, the Manisfestation of an Abtract without form.
Thanos became the REAL Eternity, because he defeated the Manisfestation of Eternity (his M-body, which is the SAME as the REAL Eternity)
This contradicts what you just said. two different organisms.
Because Thanos became the Living Universe when he took over Eternity's M-body.So if M-body = Universe
and Eternity = Universe
then, M-body = Eternity
How do you know that was an M - body, and not the real Eternity?
Like I said, ALL M-bodies are the EXACT SAME thing as the REAL embodiment, it's just a FORM given to the Abstract/Energy formless self.
This is not what the scans say, and it's not what you just said, either.
Until it's stated On Panel that LT is any less than another LT, I ain't bying it.
Then what about Reed beating the LT in Last Planet Standing?
Small time.
You have the Celestials on your list.
First of all, Dormammu will NEVER be able to defeat Eternity at any level under his own Power.
Dormammu had mystically Bonded his Power with his Sister's Umar, and the only reason they were able to defeat Eternity is because of a SHIFT in the Cosmic Axis, which made the Impossible, Possible, (like Dormammu and Umar harming Eternity)
Basically PIS.*snip*
The win was so definite, there wasn't even a battle
It Begins, Last page of the issue.
*snip*
It Ends, First page of the following issue, lol.
Pure Crap.
So, they still won, didn't they? Besides, wasn't there another incident, earlier in the comics, where Dormammu challenged Eternity?
Agamotto is a joke in comparison with my Hierarchy and Galactus is not in My list either.
Um, yeah he is. 😕 You had a bunch of pages and scans on him, even elseworld issues. In fact, it even seemed to imply in the fight that Agamotto was just toying with him and not using his full power (since it said that Galactus thought Agamotto was just a big caterpillar and not an abstract being IIRC).
Never did though,and when Strange absorbed his power, he was only able to Warp a pocket dimension, not even a pocket Universe.
That's more than some beings on your list have done.
😆
The Living Tribunal was going to destroy the earth because it was tainted with the evil of Zom, wasn't he?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Thank you, that was helpful.
Welcome.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Note the bolded part.
I knew I shouldn't have included that definition, I got you going in more circles now, my bad,
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This seems to say that each M - body isn't a different universe's Eternity, it's just a different part of the same Eternity that is manifesting itself for a different situation or purpose.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
So that means the earlier ones would be times Eternity needed to manifest in the universe beforehand, right?
?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
two different organisms, remember?
Ok, I see your confusion.
M-bodies are primarily used in the Dimension of Manifestation,
Originally posted by Endless Mike
[b]two different organisms.
This contradicts what you just said. two different organisms. [/B]
Not at all, the ONLY issue the title "M-body" has been used is in that ONE issue of Quasar
And if they were not the same, how the heck did Thanos become the Universe by Replacing Eternity's M-body?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
How do you know that was an M - body, and not the real Eternity?
Because Eternity is the EMBODIMENT of the Universe, NOT a FIGURE with FORM.
In order for him to have FORM, he needs an M-body.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This is not what the scans say, and it's not what you just said, either.
Because your taking the "Two Different Organisms" literally.
Like I said, my bad for throwing in the meaning of that word.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Then what about Reed beating the LT in Last Planet Standing?
That's Non-Canon,
so it never happened.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You have the Celestials on your list.
Pardon me, I didn't realize I had added the "Rest of the Abstracts" and so on.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
So, they still won, didn't they?
Yea, PISSINGLY So.
Did you see the Battle in the Scans?
Uhh huh, me neither.
Even one of the Editors of Marvel DISSED the SH*t out of the Writers of this pathetic nonsense
Here's the Full Page, so you won't think I'm being slick.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Besides, wasn't there another incident, earlier in the comics, where Dormammu challenged Eternity?
Negative.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Um, yeah he is. You had a bunch of pages and scans on him, even elseworld issues.
I did realize I added the rest of the Abstracts.
Elseworld?
That's DC.
You must be talking about What if.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
In fact, it even seemed to imply in the fight that Agamotto was just toying with him and not using his full power (since it said that Galactus thought Agamotto was just a big caterpillar and not an abstract being IIRC).
Dr. Strange got Handled like a child with PREP and ALL of his Talismans Together as ONE versus the Power Gem ALONE. (the Eye of Agamotto was one of the Talismans)
I should of never included that Scene with the rest of the Abstracts, because it includes Galactus, and Big G along with the Stranger are among the lowest Abstracts in the Power Output department.
So even if Agamotto would be able to handle Galactus, Galactus is small beans in comparison with the rest.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
That's more than some beings on your list have done.
Agamotto only has a chance against the Stranger and possibly a Normal Galactus.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The Living Tribunal was going to destroy the earth because it was tainted with the evil of Zom, wasn't he?
You had Zom putting fear into Eternity, which is an exaggeration.
Any other inquiries on this matter PM please, I don't wanna clog the thread to much with the same subject.
Thanx buddy.
This ought to settle the Korvac and Living Tribunal dispute once and for all.
What was it that really happened?
How powerful was Korvac?
How did he become so powerful?
Was he more powerful than LT?
If LT attacked him, how did he survive?
These questions will ALL be answered now, and yes, ya know me, with ON PANEL proof as always.
Ok, after thoroughly researching the issue I found out several interesting facts.
To begin with What if's suck.
I will prove this conclusively..
Secondly, Korvac was not the mastermind of this issue, machinations far beyond even his scope were at work in helping him survive LT's assault.
This is the big moment of surprise and disappointment for all who thought Korvac was more powerful than LT.
Let's do it.
First ALL the positive showings of the issue, then I'll post the rediculousness of a What if comic.
First:
Korvac Absorbs ALL the power of these SIX cosmics, he had already absorbed Galactus's world ship, that gave him instant near-omnipotent power.
Korvac absorbs Galactus's world ship.
LT penetrates Korvacs barrier to blow up the sun in this universe.
LT vaporizes a quarter of that solar system and Korvac survives,
LT caught by surprise by this, decides to leave this universe and seal Korvac in it.
It would seem from that last scan that LT couldn't handle Korvac, so he fled, sealed the universe behind him and left that universe to whatever fate awaited it.
The Surprise:
It was Death that protected Korvac from LT, from annihilation,
How?
Death simply didn't permit Korvac to die.
How?
It's Death, just like Thanos isn't fazed by mortality because of Death, so she did the same for Korvac.
Death was Korvac's unbidden ally-Death was Korvac's unwanted master.
Death manipulated all this, no wonder Korvac survived LT's punishment, Death who is the master of mortality and immortality, did not allow Korvac to die along with the earth.
"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
"By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"
"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"
Why?
Because Death wanted to kill Eternity and Death knew it could get Korvac to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Eternity, this was Death's plan all along.
Apparently even Death was unable to help Korvac withstand the UN though.
continues in the next post...
continues....
Now the reasons why we shouldn't use What If's in debates even if it includes LT:
Korvac with ALL his power, can't read a Celestial mind,
Korvac CANNOT resurrect just anyone, only someone he kills. Yet he's "omnipotent", LOL.
Korvac fears an Armada of beings that are coming to battle him from all over this universe, but he can kill and absorb some of the most powerful beings in the universe.
This is crap, with all his power he should be able to wipe this army out of existence.
Korvac absorbs every being on this earth to battle this armada.
He becomes so powerful he can sit on planet earth, like if it's a workout ball, but he's still going to rely on the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy this armada along with the universe.
Watcher breaks through Korvac's barrier like nothing, and this is after he absorbed every being on earth, even the visiting Celestials.
Korvac needs Ultimate Nullifier to destroy armada, nonsense, but it's a What If, so why complain.
courtesy of Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan777
My bad G, I missed this.
I don't mind throwing in pretty pictures of Non-Canon events, and by all means, if you have Cosmic events that I haven't included, post away.
But be sure it hasn't been posted already, you repeated the Galactus vs Aegis and T fight, it's ok, but better for us to keep it new as pages are turned. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterI was gonna post the time when surfer and galactus merged in last planet standing if thats cool...
My bad G, I missed this.I don't mind throwing in pretty pictures of Non-Canon events, and by all means, if you have Cosmic events that I haven't included, post away.
But be sure it hasn't been posted already, you repeated the Galactus vs Aegis and T fight, it's ok, but better for us to keep it new as pages are turned. 🙂
and sry bout the repeats, i didnt see them prior to when i posted
well im going to post these, i hope your cool with that Mr. M.......
These are scans from "Last Planet Standing" when Surfer and Galactus merged into one being:
Galactus tries to make it so that he never needs to feed, and would have been killed in the process had surfer not interviened:
Surfer and Galactus are overtaken with enormous cosmic energies, the earths heroes think they are both dead:
Then a new creature emerges from this power, its a fusion of Galactus and Surfer, much more powerful then they were seperatley:
This new creature vows that no more will people know Galactus as a destroyer of worlds, but rather a builder of worlds:
