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Originally posted by lordboo
Mr m.could you please clear this up for me.

🙂

Originally posted by lordboo
the hunger which devours reality's.

once it has finished devouring whatever reality it is in,

whats left, i reckon nothing is left.

I reckon also.

Originally posted by lordboo
is it the same sort of affect the hotu had when thanos absorbed everything.

I'd say yes.

The Hunger turns Time and Space into a Void. (it erases/absorbs Reality gradually)

THOTI did the same thing, but instantaneously.

Originally posted by lordboo
how big of a universal threat was the hunger?

The Hunger in his Totality can erase any Universe.

There lies his weakness.

Unless he can transfer MOST of his Totality into said Universe,

he can be stopped.

But Universes that do not have protectors are lunch everytime.

Originally posted by lordboo
whats the difference between multiverse and omniversere.

There are Two kinds of Multiverse.

There is the Prime/616 Multiverse,

which houses all the Alternate Realities and Divergent Realities associated with Reality 616. This is the ONLY Multiverse which includes Sentient Concepts such as Eternity/Infinity and the rest of the Abstract Hierarchy.

This is the Living Tribunal's MAIN interest in all of Marvel,

he even calls it "His Universe"

On the other hand you have MultiverseS Outside the Prime/616 Multiverse.

Most of these MultiverseS are unseen but there have been and there are Stories that focus on Realities Outside the Prime/616 Multiverse in Other MultiverseS.

The Omniverse is ALL of Marvel's Multiverses, and eveything in between.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Gee, you think...

😂

Holy! 😱

😆

thanks mr m top notch info as allways 👆

Originally posted by lordboo
thanks mr m top notch info as allways 👆

Anytime friend.

mr m do you have any good scans from the infinte crusade.

Originally posted by lordboo
mr m do you have any good scans from the infinte crusade.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
That series... wasn't exactly the most interesting...
Don't know what could be salvaged really...

Originally posted by lordboo
haven't read it myself,just wondered is anything good happen in it?

There is a flaw in your theory Mr. Master, concerning the cosmic cubes which Zemo uses.

When Zemo taps into the power he says that the he can feel universe throughout his cells.

Reality means Universe.
"All reality" means "All Universe"

Here comes the tricky part.

Omni is Greek and means All

So by saying Omniverse, you can mean "All reality" (note: Not "All realities"😉

Since the Author says that many omniversal planes explodes, it's pretty obvious that these are just universes.

After all the cosmic cubes are bellow the Infinity Gems.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
There is a flaw in your theory Mr. Master, concerning the cosmic cubes which Zemo uses.

When Zemo taps into the power he says that the he can feel [b]universe throughout his cells. [/B]

I know what Zemo said I worte it myself.

If you continue to read the Scans below that Scan you'll realize that was the first instantaneous reaction Zemo had when he first tried to absorb it's power.

He was still absorbing MORE Energy from Cube when Crescendo interrupted him and joined in the Merger with the Cube.

At which point it's clearly Stated On Panel the OMNIVERSE was ERASED:

"The MultiverseS topple over like dominos ...

One Omniversal Plane implodes into nothingness ...

and the Next ... and the Next ... until the Only thing left of Reality ...

Is Nothing ..."

There's no getting around this friend. 🙂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Reality means Universe.
"All reality" means "All Universe"

Here comes the tricky part.

Omni is Greek and means All

So by saying Omniverse, you can mean "All reality" (note: Not "All realities"😉

Since the Author says that many omniversal planes explodes, it's pretty obvious that these are just universes.

I disagree.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
After all the cosmic cubes are bellow the Infinity Gems.

Not anymore.

And even when Thanos had the IG Mephisto alluded to this idea being fact.

I really don't know, but that comic ****s up logic pretty bad.
I mean how many omniverses does Marvel have, appearently Zemo destroyed more than one.

And how can Beyonders be so powerful when one got got punked by Eternity?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I really don't know, but that comic ****s up logic pretty bad.

Ey I don't write this stuff.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I mean how many omniverses does Marvel have, appearently Zemo destroyed more than one.

That's what it alludes to, but I prefer MultiverseS.

My other theory was since it's Two separate Companies joined in this issue,

it may have been ALL the associated sub-companies owned by Marvel aside from Acclaim.

So besides Marvel and Acclaim,

we have Marvel's Subs,

Epic, Star, Paramount, Tsunami and otherS that publish Titles under their own Logo and name but are connected to the Parent Company Marvel Enterprises.

Perhaps these are Other OmniverseS, but I'm speculating.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And how can Beyonders be so powerful when one got got punked by Eternity?

The BeyonderS have never been seen.

The BeyonderS have never appeared in a Comic.

Unless you came across info to the contrary.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what it alludes to, but I prefer MultiverseS.

My other theory was since it's Two separate Companies joined in this issue,

it may have been ALL the associated sub-companies owned by Marvel aside from Acclaim.

So besides Marvel and Acclaim,

we have Marvel's Subs,

Epic, Star, Paramount, Tsunami and otherS that publish Titles under their own Logo and name but are connected to the Parent Company Marvel Enterprises.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Very far fetched, all sub-companies would be Omniverses?
Different universes, outside the ultraverse perhaps.
But Omniverses, no.

Like I said it was a theory in an attempt to make sense out of OmniverseS.

But it's quite simple though,

now matter what at the very least,

An Incomplete Cosmic Cube Erased and Recreated the Marvel Omniverse.

And kept on Remaking it. 🙂

In the end the Complete Cosmic Cube Recreated the Omniverse again one final time.

Obviously this is a Cosmic Cube at it's full potential.

Zemo and Crescendo never really did much, they were unable to maintain Reality,

but Iron Man and X-O together were able to control the Cube fully.

No, don't change the facts, a incomplete Cosmic Cube destroyed the Omniverses.

Wouldent the Beyonder (post retcon) be one of the Beyonders?

I belive that this is just a flopp, like Protege. I mean seriously this would mess up your hierarchy pretty bad, I could be wrong though.
Anyhow still wait until this reaches a 100 pages before making a new.

And since Beyonder is one of the Beyonders (I belive) then his power wouldent even come close to Eternity's. Also the Cosmic Cubes where bellow the Celestial's before this happend. And not even 30 Cosmic Cubes could compete with the Gems.

Anyhow, Mr. M. Could you post a hierarchy as your next post so I could better grasp the point in all this, to get your view of it, and an explanation after each wouldent hurt either.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No, don't change the facts, a incomplete Cosmic Cube destroyed the Omniverse[b]s. [/B]

Perhaps,

but it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse for sure.

And that's what matters to me most.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Wouldent the Beyonder (post retcon) be one of the Beyonders?

No.

Because Post Retcon is just a Complete Cube Being,

Not one of the BeyonderS and Not a Cosmic Containment Unit.

But Post retcon Beyonder is essential to the Multiverse, that I know.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I belive that this is just a flopp, like Protege.

Could be.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I mean seriously this would mess up your hierarchy pretty bad, I could be wrong though.

Not really.

The only problem it presents is the comparison with Pre-retcon Beyonder & LT.

If the BeyonderS were more powerful than Beyonder,

and the Beyonder was more powerful than LT,

how can the BeyonderS be below LT in power then?

Perhaps they're not, perhaps they are equals,

after all according to LT himself the BeyonderS are the "Infinite"

and he alluded to there being some kind of working relationship between them.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Anyhow still wait until this reaches a 100 pages before making a new.

I will.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And since Beyonder is one of the Beyonders (I belive) then his power wouldent even come close to Eternity's.

[QUOTE=8803880]Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
[B] Also the Cosmic Cubes where bellow the Celestial's before this happend.

Not exactly.

Cube Beings are below Celestials,

Cube Beings which are FAR weaker than Cosmic Cubes.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And not even 30 Cosmic Cubes could compete with the Gems.

According to the Silver Surfer.

Besides it depends who's trying to manipulate the Cube.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Anyhow, Mr. M. Could you post a hierarchy as your next post so I could better grasp the point in all this, to get your view of it, and an explanation after each wouldent hurt either.

Give me some time,

I'm trying to shuffle several debates at once.

Here's my problem with the "rewriting of the omniverse" ordeal. CC's have self imposed limits(like not being able to effect souls) to their power as was established in the Infinity Crusade right? Now the only way to overcome those limits, is by the majority of the universe ACTIVELY willing it. Now since the souls of the beings within the omniverse where recreated right along with everything else, that means that somehow the self imposed restrictions set into place within the CC was somehow bypassed without a universe will(which shouldn't have happened).

Pretty heated debate for a generic crossover made for a video game.