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Originally posted by darthgoober
Here's my problem with the "rewriting of the omniverse" ordeal. CC's have self imposed limits(like not being able to effect souls) to their power as was established in the Infinity Crusade right? Now the only way to overcome those limits, is by the majority of the universe ACTIVELY willing it. Now since the souls of the beings within the omniverse where recreated right along with everything else, that means that somehow the self imposed restrictions set into place within the CC was somehow bypassed without a universe will(which shouldn't have happened).

Not exactly,

Thanos alone manipulated a Cube to make him a Universe.

No need for universal collaboration.

The fact is the Goddess was a very weak Will to handle the Cubes.

She had 30 of them and couldn't even Re-write the 616 Reality.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pretty heated debate for a generic crossover made for a video game.

Actually I learned it's a legitimate cross-over,

just like JLA/Avengers or Rune/Silver Surfer.

X-O has been around since 1991, and has an on going series since.

Mark Greunwald was the Editor of the Crossover btw.

So while the story was adapted from the game,

it took on a life of it's own once it reached panels.

Surfer's speed is no joke.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly,

Thanos alone manipulated a Cube to make him a Universe.

No need for universal collaboration.

The fact is the Goddess was a very weak Will to handle the Cubes.

She had 30 of them and couldn't even Re-write the 616 Reality.

Now while I admit that's an impressive level of power, it's not really THAT powerful overall. It seems to me that he actually wished for power similar to Kronos who shared a similar status despite being less powerful than Eternity...

Now as for the Goddess, she wasn't just trying to re-write the 616 reality, she was trying to destroy it(along with everyone in it) and then create a new universe in which Evil didn't exist...

"Let all be taken into the Heavenly embrace."

Now the reason I see that as being such a feat, is that she was essentially trying to rob the entire universe of it's free will. Eliminating free will affects the souls of individuals in a way that most are unable to even fathom. She was effectively trying to impose her own sense of order in a way that went WAY beyond what anyone else(other than the Magus, who essentially wanted the opposite) had even attempted at that point.

As for her being weak willed, or unaware of the potential of the cosmic cubes, I really don't see that either. Think about it for a second, Warlock became privy Thanos's memories and the inter workings of his mind.

Now since this came AFTER Thanos's brush with the cosmic cube, it means that he actually KNEW just what Thanos had experienced during his time with the cube. He effectively knew the capabilities and limitations of the cube as well as Thanos himself did. The Goddess(like the Magus) actually had all that info as well, so it seems a little far fetched to assume that she was unable to accomplish anything and everything that Thanos himself did when in possession of the cube.

What's more, Thanos himself stated that the cubes had no effect on souls in your scan of his conversation with Mephisto and Warlock...

"That would explain why they do not effect souls."

So Thanos's power when he became one with the universe STILL didn't extend to power over the souls of sentient beings, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the dark as to the potential power of the cubes along with everyone else.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But the thing is, Thanos didn't really BECOME a separate universe, he rather become one with everything IN the existing universe.

Now while I admit that's an impressive level of power, it's not really THAT powerful overall. It seems to me that he actually wished for power similar to Kronos who shared a similar status despite being less powerful than Eternity...

On Panel Thanos became the entirety of the Universe.

I haven't read anywhere that hinted he was at Kronos level or wanted to be at Kronos level.

In fact according to these Scans,

Thanos was Beyond Kronos.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now as for the Goddess, she wasn't just trying to re-write the 616 reality, she was trying to destroy it(along with everyone in it) and then create a new universe in which Evil didn't exist...

"Let all be taken into the Heavenly embrace."

Cool,

and with 30 Cosmic Cubes she should've been able to do that with a thought.

Again,

displaying her in-ability to milk the Cube for what it's worth.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Now the reason I see that as being such a feat, is that she was essentially trying to rob the entire universe of it's free will. Eliminating free will affects the souls of individuals in a way that most are unable to even fathom. She was effectively trying to impose her own sense of order in a way that went WAY beyond what anyone else(other than the Magus, who essentially wanted the opposite) had even attempted at that point.

As for her being weak willed, or unaware of the potential of the cosmic cubes, I really don't see that either. Think about it for a second, Warlock became privy Thanos's memories and the inter workings of his mind.

Now since this came AFTER Thanos's brush with the cosmic cube, it means that he actually KNEW just what Thanos had experienced during his time with the cube. He effectively knew the capabilities and limitations of the cube as well as Thanos himself did. The Goddess(like the Magus) actually had all that info as well, so it seems a little far fetched to assume that she was unable to accomplish anything and everything that Thanos himself did when in possession of the cube.

What's more, Thanos himself stated that the cubes had no effect on souls in your scan of his conversation with Mephisto and Warlock...

"That would explain why they do not effect souls."

So Thanos's power when he became one with the universe STILL didn't extend to power over the souls of sentient beings, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the dark as to the potential power of the cubes along with everyone else.

That's all cool,

but Magus created a Duplicate 616 Reality with 5 Cubes. (a Separate Universe)

Thanos became the entire Universe with One Cube. (616)

The Goddess had 30 Cubes and was barely able to affect a Galaxy.

This tells me the Goddess could not nearly manipulate a Cube effectively.

I mean Tiny Fragments (shards) of One Cube were being given out in Marvel's Heaven,

and instantaneously it was ascending every being into GodHood:

Every one steps up, swallows a fragment of the Cosmic Containment Unit,

and instantly becomes a "God" ...

Originally posted by Mr Master

I mean Tiny Fragments (shards) of One Cube were being given out in Marvel's Heaven,

and instantaneously it was ascending every being into GodHood:

Every one steps up, swallows a fragment of the Cosmic Containment Unit,

and instantly becomes a "God" ...

i smell fish. lots and lots of fish.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i smell fish. lots and lots of fish.

dontgetit

I think he's calling it bullshit. And he might be right. Which isn't a personal reflection on you, just that Marvel's writing is for shit. 😆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think he's calling it bullshit. And he might be right.

I see.

He's wrong though, unless you wanna call it Canon bullshit:

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook)

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Which isn't a personal reflection on you,

just that Marvel's writing is for shit.

I hear that,

but I really don't see how that particular scene makes it so.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I see.

He's wrong though, unless you wanna call it Canon bullshit:

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook)

i don't get it. that's the earth-x page, which makes no mention of heaven or the ccu, and takes place in a totally different universe.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i don't get it. that's the earth-x page, which makes no mention of heaven or the ccu, and takes place in a totally different universe.

That's the proof that the Arc is Canon.

They don't go into every single detail.

I never said it was 616.

It is an Alternate Reality.

But it still applies cause it's a Universe in the Multiverse.

You think this is easy to accept? -- The hierarchy we all had in our mind was completely rubbed by this.
And before making such a rash change we need more evidence.
Who know this could be another plot hole.

Have CosmicCubes ever show something close to that power before?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You think this is easy to accept? --

It's not unfathomable imo.

Years ago it was stated On Panel that Cubes before evolving impose limitations on themselves,

like Beyonder did in his Pre era.

We really have never known it's limits, (Cube)

this arc gaves us some insight.

What's interesting is that now yall got me energized to research further fof more proof.

I found something yall will like, another incredible single Cube Feat,

and this time only Marvel is involved.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The hierarchy we all had in our mind was completely rubbed by this.

Nah T, I wouldn't say that.

The BeyonderS and Cosmic Containment Units are the only thing rising in the Hierarchy.

And let's all understand something friends,

it took Two beings to Manipulate the CCU to this potential.

No Single Being has ever harnessed the CCU at this scale.

And again, it all depends on one's Will.

Zemo and Crescendo were overwhelmed by the CCU.

Tony Stark and Aric handled the CCU completely but this was a Remade Tony and Aric,

Remade by the Cube itself when it Recreated the Omniverse,

the Cube kept Recreating the Omniverse but Why?

Was it to find a structured Reality where Tony and Aric would be able to handle it?

Did it give Aric and Tony the Will to handle it?

Or did it allow itself to be handled?

Can it understand the Concepts of good and evil and decided to resist Zemo and Crescendo?

This is what makes Comics fun, when they raise questions and need a bit of investigating,

to be understood.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And before making such a rash change we need more evidence.
Who know this could be another plot hole.

I have some more like I mentioned.

One Cube stacks Four whole UniverseS on top of each other.

It could've gone for more but the cat using it was stopped.

In fact the Omniverse was about to be destroyed.

And it was a Single being wielding the Cube.