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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Midnighter's speed feats outdo Wolverine's. Too bad. Midnighter doesn't need to be compared to Taskmaster at all. Whether you think Midnighter isn't as fast as Spiderman doesn't matter. Because combat speed isn't the only thing that Midnighter has. He also has his calculation abilities.
Midnighter's speed feats DON'T outdo do Wolverine's.
He can run scenarios in his head. How does that guarantee him a win? He has to first find a scenario in which he can win, and then manipulate his opponent into that scenario; which becomes increasingly more difficult the more skilled your opponent is, and Midnighter has never fought anyone as skilled as Logan. Midnighter has said himself that typically - out of all the scenarios he plays out - he can win around 50-60. That isn't very many. Considering he has often said that he runs million's of scenarios... it is down right sad, and he has never fought anyone as skilled as Wolverine is.
In an arena match, I don't see ANY way for Midnighter to beat Wolverine. In a city maybe is abilities will help him play Wolverine into a plot device... but what use are they going to be in an arena? All he is going to see is that there is nothing he can physically do to put Wolverine done for the count with out getting torn to shreds.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Daken doesn't appear to be stronger or faster or more skilled than Wolverine is, nor does he appear to be stronger or faster or more skilled than opponents that Wolverine has beaten at his peak. But he's strong enough and fast enough and just skilled enough to use his "I am where my opponent doesn't see me" abilities to make Wolverine look like a stumbling amateur as long as he keeps his cool.
Daken has a skill that doesn't make any sense and it was his first fight, they want to play him up. If he fights Wolverine again, I bet it will go down differently. And at the very least he needs to have burst speed, because Wolverine was looking straight at him when he vanished the first time.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spiderman, Sabretooth, Taskmaster, Cap, Wolverine, Daken... none of them could kick a tank shell out of mid air BACK into a tank. That's what Midnighter's enhanced speed + enhanced reflexes + enhanced strength + calculation abilities allow him in a fight. Tackling each of these traits separately and piecemeal is not cogent analysis of what would happen in a fight. Taking it altogether is.
Midnighter kicking a tank shell is PIS. It doesn't make any sense. If he kicked it hard enough to stop it's trajectory and send it back at the tank... it would explode. If you are going to use a nonsensical bullshit feat like that then I'm going to bring up Wolverine survive two nukes, being incinerated by Nitro and falling into a vat of molten metal and climbing out.
There is nothing Midnighter can do to put Wolverine down for the count. There is no way in hell is going to overload Wolverine's healing factor with out getting stomped into the mud - no way. He isn't fast enough, he isn't strong enough and he isn't skilled enough. If Wolverine lands one good hit on Midnighter the fight is pretty much over, or will be in short order. How many unreturned hits would Midnighter need to land to put Wolverine down? 100? 1000? I doubt Midnighter could land 5 hits on Wolverine without Logan landing one of his own. Wolverine takes him, his healing factor is just too much.