Originally posted by Eel O'BrianWolverine rode a rocket, does that count?Of course, he landed on it first.
Originally posted by Eel O'BrianWolverine rode a rocket, does that count?Of course, he landed on it first.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully a tank shell speed is no greater then that of many guns........and the funny thing is MN never produces a feat similar that one ever again........ so I am not even sure it a usable example.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/GabrielaBis.shtml
Artillery shells are fast.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine rode a rocket, does that count?
Not only did he ride it... he managed to steer it. 😄
Originally posted by CreshoskKoopa shell either devolves you or is a OHKO.
Wolverine rode a rocket, does that count?
Shell > rocket.
Originally posted by srankmissingninMidnighter's speed and battle reflexes feats outdo Wolverine's.
Midnighter's speed feats DON'T outdo do Wolverine's.He can run scenarios in his head. How does that guarantee him a win? He has to first find a scenario in which he can win, and then manipulate his opponent into that scenario; which becomes increasingly more difficult the more skilled your opponent is, and Midnighter has never fought anyone as skilled as Logan. Midnighter has said himself that typically - out of all the scenarios he plays out - he can win around 50-60. That isn't very many. Considering he has often said that he runs million's of scenarios... it is down right sad, and he has never fought anyone as skilled as Wolverine is.
Who says it becomes increasingly more difficult the more skilled your opponent is? Blanket statements can work both ways. Wolverine has to be able to put himself into a situation that Midnighter could not edge himself out of or calculate. This becomes increasngly difficult the higher and faster the calculative abilities of the opponent are. And Midnighter's earns gold medals in that category. Midnighter's only been consistently beaten by people who have far outclassed him or found a way around with calculative abilities. Wolverine is neither. And finding 50 to 60 ways of winning any given scenario is bad? Ok. Apparently, Wolverine gets beat 50 to 60 different ways then.
Wolverine has never fought someone who could calculate what would happen with as much proficiency as Midnighter has. Many times that Wolverine has fought a person who legitimately could predict what Wolverine was going to do, Wolverine's been embarassed.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThis isn't an arena match. So won't even bother countering that part. Midnighter can do plenty to put Wolverine down for the count. Here's a short list, all taken from actual on-panel fights if you like:
In an arena match, I don't see ANY way for Midnighter to beat Wolverine. In a city maybe is abilities will help him play Wolverine into a plot device... but what use are they going to be in an arena? All he is going to see is that there is nothing he can physically do to put Wolverine done for the count with out getting torn to shreds.
1) He could stick his staff through his throat and trap him against a wall for a tko.
2) He could spit out his tooth and have it enter Wolverine's brain through either his eye socket, throat cavity or nasal cavity for a ko.
3) He could open wounds up with his staff and shuriken and place dirt into the wounds and prevent them from healing for a tko.
Blanket statements get you nowhere. It'd make more sense if you said Midnighter could never physically put a foe like Apollo down for the count. And yet, we all know where that ends up.
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe says he is no faster than Deadpool. He doesn't need to have burst speed. The skill is to simply predict where your opponent isn't going to be looking. And to manuever into that position and strike from there. In fact, when Deadpool pissed him off, Wade actually nailed him with a kick that dazed Daken. Fact is, Midnighter showed himself much more capable of burst speed and Daken's own explanation of his abilities run counter to what you wish them to be. Fact is, he straight up embarassed Wolverine.
Daken has a skill that doesn't make any sense and it was his first fight, they want to play him up. If he fights Wolverine again, I bet it will go down differently. And at the very least he needs to have burst speed, because Wolverine was looking straight at him when he vanished the first time.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSo now it's PIS? Even though with his enhanced strength, speed, reflexes and ability to calculate exactly where it's going to be when he kicks it and ability to calculate exactly how to kick it fails? It's not PIS according to his character history. He can spit his tooth out with more destructive force than a bullet. He is completely conscious when he gets kicked in the head by a herald-class opponent and sent 100's of yards straight horizontally. He can beat the crap out of opponents that can wrestle with Apollo and speed around as fast as Apollo as if they were amateurs. He can get up after his neck is completely snapped and trick a guy into thinking he's dead. He can spin his staff around and block mounted machine gun fire. What PIS? This is who Midnighter is.
Midnighter kicking a tank shell is PIS. It doesn't make any sense. If he kicked it hard enough to stop it's trajectory and send it back at the tank... it would explode. If you are going to use a nonsensical bullshit feat like that then I'm going to bring up Wolverine survive two nukes, being incinerated by Nitro and falling into a vat of molten metal and climbing out.
And Wolverine's healing factor feats are not PIS either. So what's the point of bringing them up? If Wolverine did get incinerated, for purposes of a KMC fight, he would be knocked out. So what relevance does your irate protestations about Wolverine's healing factor have?
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe doesn't need to overload Wolverine's healing factor. I just listed three very easy ways that he could take Wolverine out without having to overload his healing factor. The thread did not limit Midnighter to wins only by overloading Wolverine's healing factor. I can understand why you'd want to narrow everyone's reasoning, but it fails.
There is nothing Midnighter can do to put Wolverine down for the count. There is no way in hell is going to overload Wolverine's healing factor with out getting stomped into the mud - no way. He isn't fast enough, he isn't strong enough and he isn't skilled enough. If Wolverine lands one good hit on Midnighter the fight is pretty much over, or will be in short order. How many unreturned hits would Midnighter need to land to put Wolverine down? 100? 1000? I doubt Midnighter could land 5 hits on Wolverine without Logan landing one of his own. Wolverine takes him, his healing factor is just too much.
Originally posted by ApolloknightIndeed.
no, a shell is much faster then a missle/rocket (depending on the type) and travels with MUCH more force then a missile.
The blue spiny ones with wings even home in on the leader, and KO his cart, making it much harder to maintain the lead and win the race.
Luckily it's a rare item.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWolverine had Colossus, Cyclops, Kitty Pryde, White Queen and Beast helping him in that fight. Fighting all the other Astonishing X-Men does help keep an opponent distracted and create openings. Wolverine does not have the rest of the Astonishing X-Men helping him in this fight. Context helps.
And just FYI Wolverine has fought foes with computerized brains that run constant fight scenarios and calculate trajectory etc. before. He even managed to land hits on Danger, hits that would have killed Midnighter if they landed on him. And Danger knows more about fighting Wolverine then Midnighter could ever hope to.
Midnighter 8/10.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
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As I've said, depending on the type. And in regards to the feat, when a missile is fired, in most cases, its moving slow at first (most missiles have two engines) a rocket, is just that, a rocket.
A tank shell, when just fired, is moving so much faster then a missile that's just fired its not even funny.
EDIT: Oh I see you changed you mind.
