The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dude. Maybe the artists and writers and editors aren't wrong?

Riiighht....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maybe Wolverine doesn't have the correct mamalian endoskeleton? He already has six claws protruding from his forearms,

Not putting words in your mouth huh?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
he already has an odd bone structure. Nature basically already screwed Logan over when they put claws into his arms that cause him excruciating and never-ending pain.

And I'll bet a large number of people still don't.

You got any proof that the writers and editors were right? That they knew what they were doing?

Cause I've got An ASS load of scans that show writers don't know a lick about science sometimes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Normally, people with motives blind themselves into not seeing things that are there.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm doing the opposite of that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I am seeing what's there plainly and clearly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've got the scans handy if you want to see them? [/quote[ You've got A scan that is PIS of each area.

[QUOTE=10791002]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I know they've been littered across different threads, but perhaps you aren't looking at what I am looking at? [/quote[ Obviously. You've got wolvie hater vision blinding you.

[QUOTE=10791002]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm talking about four separate

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
and clear instances that suggest Wolverine has gaps that allow access to his brain. Simple as that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And if someone has that darn Danger scan, I'm pretty sure I'd have five... 😒:

Could someone please quote my posts so he will quit ignoring the fact that he's wrong?

You know.. he'll probably STILL ignore the fact that he's wrong.. anything to downplay wolveirne...

Quote this especially:
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Just because it happens in a comic doesn't mean its not pis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dude. Maybe the artists and writers and editors aren't wrong? Maybe Wolverine doesn't have the correct mamalian endoskeleton? He already has six claws protruding from his forearms, he already has an odd bone structure. Nature basically already screwed Logan over when they put claws into his arms that cause him excruciating and never-ending pain.

Normally, people with motives blind themselves into not seeing things that are there. I'm doing the opposite of that. I am seeing what's there plainly and clearly.

I've got the scans handy if you want to see them? I know they've been littered across different threads, but perhaps you aren't looking at what I am looking at? I'm talking about four separate and clear instances that suggest Wolverine has gaps that allow access to his brain. Simple as that. And if someone has that darn Danger scan, I'm pretty sure I'd have five... 😒:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dude. Maybe the artists and writers and editors aren't wrong?

http://luchins.com/wwtt/?cat=48

Originally posted by psycho gundam
or maybe the writers/artists didn't care that people would pick apart these instances with logic. 😉 they had to put him down somehow.

Fact is, I'd agree with you more if you showed me a single scan of someone aiming a projectile at one of Wolveirne's skull cavities, shooting him and it bouncing off of the appropriate piece of skull. Eye, ear, nasal, throat, whaetver. I've read tons of Wolverine's appearances. I've seen his exhaustive respect thread (props to jinzin and srankmissinignin). There is nothing. Nothing on-panel contradicts the four to five clear and undeniable on-panel occurences that demonstrate that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated.

You add those up, compare them to the zero scans in contradiction and what should you logically conclude? That Wolverine's brain is vulnerable. Does it make sense with real life science? No. But the entirety of Wolverine's character doesn't make sense either with real life science. He's a feral mutant who has six claws, bonded with adamantium and has a healing factor that can allow him to survive a nuke blast!

It's plainly obvious that you aren't using real world science to argue against him having claws or having a zany healing factor. Is your incredulity based on your aversion to seeing Wolverine having a weakness? Him having strengths in contradiction to real world science is ok... but him having a weakness in contradiction to real world science is not ok? That's a double standard. And you've got on-panel evidence against your double standard. You can continue thinking the way you do, and I may not be able to convince you, but I think you're availing yourself of self-serving logic and double-standards while ignoring clear scans. That is definitely not convincing me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Logic dictates that Superman can't fly or derive super powers from yellow sunlight.

umm, no... its not logic that says so, its science, physics and the like...

in comicbookland, supes is powered by a yellow sun, and we know what his powers are. they may defy physics, but they don't defy logic given that there are plenty of undeniable facts about the guy...

imo...

Including the fact that he's a freaking alien. People keep forgetting that he's kryptonian and not human.

How did we get onto superman ?

If someone has you on ignore, they are trying to abide by the rules and not flame and bash. It's best to ignore them because it looks like trolling if you don't.

Offering an opinion or asking questions isn't trolling unless it disrupts the thread or is a blatant disregard of scans and panel feats.

If there's any more unnecessary reports it's a warning.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In the face of all this, the best you guys have come up with is some vague tiny picture from the Xavier Protocols that shows his skull. And MAYBE there's bone backing it. Of course, it could just be the damn back of his skull that you're seeing. Perhaps I can show you scans of Wolverine being incinerated and the big gaping black holes that you see in his eye sockets that indicate depth:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8926/1skeleton2kb8.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4096/1skeleton3ha9.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5435/skeleto4hr6.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9862/skeleto5ny4.jpg

http://www.silverbulletcomics.com/~editor/brant/solicitations/Marvel/nov06/WOLV048_cov.jpg
http://www.bamkapow.com/ul/482-718new_storyimage1893092_full.jpg

Seriously guys. Come on now.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, if you know basic human anatomy , you will know the importance of that bone in the eye socket, it keeps the brain the shape it is cause during growth, the brain will take up as much room as it can. logan's eyes would be bulging out if that bone was missing.....and he would be severely mentally handicapped since his frontal lobe is distorted.

Originally posted by Starscream M
excellent post. case closed. logan DOES NOT HAVE A BONE BEHIND THE EYES.

one events he brought up is not cannon.

another actaully discredits his own post which cres already pointed out, but you clearly ignored which of courses I am not surprized about in the least, becuases your a troll.

Wolverine 6/10

Mids gives him a tough fight and has his own good healing and skills, but Logan heals better, unbreakable bones, has a insane damage soak plus hes very skilled in his own right. As it leaks him the edge.

MN healing factors really not that good and would not allow him to take stabs from wolverien and keep on fighting. also MN tactical mind is good, but in terms of actual skill Logan just beyond him. I think MN gives Logan a good fight but Logan clearly takes the majority

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but in terms of actual skill Logan just beyond him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what? or did you pull this outta your behind?

what has MN done to make you think he top tier in skill? His simulation greatly amp his ability to fight, but with out them when forces to rely on his own fighting skill he been shown to faulter.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what has MN done to make you think he top tier in skill? His simulation greatly amp his ability to fight, but with out them when forces to rely on his own fighting skill he been shown to faulter.

Originally posted by Starscream M
im not the one saying MN is >>> than Logan in skill...you did say that logan is vastly superior to MN in skill, so you have to back it up.

I not the only one who believes so. MA rankings thread has Midnighter at 3rd tier in skill.

He has shown to be not nearly as effective a fighter when forces to rely soully on his skills and not his ability to view similulations. He also does not have the fight skill feats that put him to top tier or even 2nd tier.

Logan has fought the msot skilled fighters in the world and come out on top through skill. what has MN done in terms of skill that make syou think Logan is not beyond his skill level? He beating no name cannon fodder good for him. He has yet to prove him self vs top tier fighter or even 2nd tier fighters in terms of skill.

Originally posted by Starscream M
excellent post. case closed. logan DOES NOT HAVE A BONE BEHIND THE EYES.

All that shows is shadow... 😕

Anyone who thinks it was the writers intent for Wolverine to be missing bones behind his eyes is an idiot. FACT. What we are looking at is a mistake, plan and simple, and nothing more. A mistake that was made based on lack of knowledge and misconception. Certainly nothing credible to base an arguement on Wolverine having an incomplete skeletal structure on. You might as well be arguing that Deathstroke is mentally retarded because his powers are predicated on the misconception that humans only use 10% of their brain, when in fact everyone uses 100%.

If it was the ever the intention of the writers that Wolverine had an incomplete skeletal structure, it would have been mentioned in print. Why hasn't been mentioned? Because it isn't. Apparently the fact the skull is completely encased in bone isn't common knowledge, I mean look how many times Cresh has had to post a picture of a human skull. It is a mistake made by a handful of writers who have apparently never studied human anatomy. It is PIS. This argument is ridiculous. It is just a mistake, and a mistake that HASN'T been made by the hundreds of other writers who have worked on Wolverine in the past. Wonder why that is?

Honestly, who here believes truthfully that it was the writers intent to suggest that Wolverine doesn't have a complete skull, and not a simple mistake? Not sure why I even bothered posting this... I pretty much expect bogus nonsense straw-grasping theories from OneDumbG0, a guy who thinks Namor is incapable of bleeding out, by virtue of being an Atlantian.

Originally posted by Starscream M
im not the one saying MN is >>> than Logan in skill...you did say that logan is vastly superior to MN in skill, so you have to back it up.

Simple to back this up...Midnighter without his battle PC got his ass kick by a super soldier

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/stormwatch_ta_06_pg_11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/stormwatch_ta_06_pg_12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/stormwatch_ta_06_pg_13.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/stormwatch_ta_06_pg_14.jpg

Logan before the Weapon X program was way more skilled than this.

Jukko isn't even a super soldier, his only power is empathy that he can't turn off... which probably doesn't help when you are kicking the living daylights out of someone. He is more like Punisher than Cap.