The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the scan with nitro, logan came back from that.

and the older ones were from back in the day when his healing factor was much slower.

I wasn't arguing that Logan can't come back from that. I knwo he can. He has before. I was just showing evidence that there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets since the only scan they have presented which suggests bone behind his eye sockets is some vague small scan of the Xavier Protocols that could be interpreted that way. Unfortunately, it's small and absolutely vague and it could be interpreted as you seeing the back of his skull through the eye cavity. I just posted these scans which are much clearer and suggest depth behind Wolveirne's eye sockets.

Now does anyone have the Danger fight scan I was talking about, that appears to show her stabbing Wolverine's brain up through his throat with her Wolvie imitation claws? Because that'd help support my position even more and tie very nicely into Deadpool shooting Wolverine's brain from there and X-23 threatening to pop a claw up into Logan's brain from that spot too.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
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Look closely OneDumbG0...


I was just about ti mention that lol

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I wasn't arguing that Logan can't come back from that. I knwo he can. He has before. I was just showing evidence that there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets since the only scan they have presented which suggests bone behind his eye sockets is some vague small scan of the Xavier Protocols that could be interpreted that way. Unfortunately, it's small and absolutely vague and it could be interpreted as you seeing the back of his skull through the eye cavity. I just posted these scans which are much clearer and suggest depth behind Wolveirne's eye sockets.

Now does anyone have the Danger fight scan I was talking about, that appears to show her stabbing Wolverine's brain up through his throat with her Wolvie imitation claws? Because that'd help support my position even more and tie very nicely into Deadpool shooting Wolverine's brain from there and X-23 threatening to pop a claw up into Logan's brain from that spot too.

You realize that threatening to do something doesn't mean that its possible. 😐

No seriously.. "They suggest depth"
How the hell do you lower an eyebrow on a skull?

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4096/1skeleton3ha9.jpg

/And a comic book cover? You used a freaking comic book cover. 😐

Based on the lightning you might get shadows.. but shadows don't indicate depth... ever hear of "optical illusions"

For petes sake you're reaching...

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I wasn't arguing that Logan can't come back from that. I knwo he can. He has before. I was just showing evidence that there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets since the only scan they have presented which suggests bone behind his eye sockets is some vague small scan of the Xavier Protocols that could be interpreted that way. Unfortunately, it's small and absolutely vague and it could be interpreted as you seeing the back of his skull through the eye cavity. I just posted these scans which are much clearer and suggest depth behind Wolveirne's eye sockets.

Now does anyone have the Danger fight scan I was talking about, that appears to show her stabbing Wolverine's brain up through his throat with her Wolvie imitation claws? Because that'd help support my position even more and tie very nicely into Deadpool shooting Wolverine's brain from there and X-23 threatening to pop a claw up into Logan's brain from that spot too.

well, if you know basic human anatomy , you will know the importance of that bone in the eye socket, it keeps the brain the shape it is cause during growth, the brain will take up as much room as it can. logan's eyes would be bulging out if that bone was missing.....and he would be severely mentally handicapped since his frontal lobe is distorted.

Creshosk Senior Member
Originally posted by OneDumbG0

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8926/1skeleton2kb8.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4096/1skeleton3ha9.jpg

Dude.. those are from what if volume 2 #6

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Hey Apolloknight... this is the dude that I said hates wolverine... He just used a comic book cover and a freaking what if...

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in a way it was. if the skull had this alleged opening, the brain behind it would have been burned to a crisp. it wasn't
I'm pretty sure his brain was burned into a crisp. He spent time in his dream world fighting Lazaer and it wasn't until later that his brain and eyes reformed and his nerves started growing back.

Does Wayne Brady gotta choke a bi-

- errr I mean...

Does OneDumbG0 gotta make a montage? 😂

If you ask for it, I shall. As soon as I get my hands on the X-23 conversation and Danger popping her claws up into Wolvie's skull anyway...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, if you know basic human anatomy , you will know the importance of that bone in the eye socket, it keeps the brain the shape it is cause during growth, the brain will take up as much room as it can. logan's eyes would be bulging out if that bone was missing.....and he would be severely mentally handicapped since his frontal lobe is distorted.
That entire piece of bone doesn't have to be missing. There could be just two very conveniently small holes that allow access to the brain which require precise aim to penetrate into. But why are we arguing human anatomy again? Wolverine's not human, he's a mutant. Using your logic, Wolverine would not have claws that constantly tear through his skin and cause him immense pain. Rogue wouldn't have a power that causes her to suck life-force from other people so she could never procreate.

Look, if you need everything to make perfect scientific sense in a comic book, then you really need to find another form of literature. When you have people flying and shooting laser beams out of their eyes or travelling at faster than light speeds... you're really going to argue over clear on-panel presentations of Logan's brain getting penetrated by projectiles? Once, maybe. That'd be reasonable. But four, five times with conversation confirming it? And nothing to conradict it except through applying human anatomy to a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure? Doesn't wash.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm pretty sure his brain was burned into a crisp. He spent time in his dream world fighting Lazaer and it wasn't until later that his brain and eyes reformed and his nerves started growing back.

Does Wayne Brady gotta choke a bi-

- errr I mean...

Does OneDumbG0 gotta make a montage? 😂

If you ask for it, I shall. As soon as I get my hands on the X-23 conversation and Danger popping her claws up into Wolvie's skull anyway

You want me to fetch the scan where Wolverine tells SPiderman that he can kill him by breaking his neck, and then Spiederman failing to break his neck, and all the times wolveirne's skeleton has held together?

Him SAYING she could doesn't mean she could. 😐

He lied to spiderman, about him being able to kill him. Why wouldn't he lie about that?

Seriously dude.. non-canon comics, comic book covers, Discarding science because it doesn't agree with you

Face facts dude.. it was a pis feat.. and you're trolling.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm pretty sure his brain was burned into a crisp. He spent time in his dream world fighting Lazaer and it wasn't until later that his brain and eyes reformed and his nerves started growing back.

Does Wayne Brady gotta choke a bi-

- errr I mean...

Does OneDumbG0 gotta make a montage? 😂

If you ask for it, I shall. As soon as I get my hands on the X-23 conversation and Danger popping her claws up into Wolvie's skull anyway...
That entire piece of bone doesn't have to be missing. There could be just two very conveniently small holes that allow access to the brain which require precise aim to penetrate into. But why are we arguing human anatomy again? Wolverine's not human, he's a mutant. Using your logic, Wolverine would not have claws that constantly tear through his skin and cause him immense pain. Rogue wouldn't have a power that causes her to suck life-force from other people so she could never procreate.

Look, if you need everything to make perfect scientific sense in a comic book, then you really need to find another form of literature. When you have people flying and shooting laser beams out of their eyes or travelling at faster than light speeds... you're really going to argue over clear on-panel presentations of Logan's brain getting penetrated by projectiles? Once, maybe. That'd be reasonable. But four, five times with conversation confirming it? And nothing to conradict it except through applying human anatomy to a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure? Doesn't wash.

the optic nerve opening isn't big enough for a bullet to pass through, especially a bullet fired from a big rifle.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the optic nerve opening isn't big enough for a bullet to pass through, especially a bullet fired from a big rifle.
A human's optic nerve opening may not be big enough. But apparently Wolverine's mutant one is. It's clear from the New X-Men scan. I don't believe I need to post the scan again to see how clear it is that it goes through his eye socket and plinks against the back of his skull. Have you seen the scan?

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the optic nerve opening isn't big enough for a bullet to pass through, especially a bullet fired from a big rifle.
Pssh, though I agree and admire that you know that. OneDumbG0 will do anything he can to discredit wolveirne.

He's using non-canon sources, comic book covers, blatent lies... Hell he even ignored the fact that one of the scans he posted you can see the sphenoid bone.

And his logic is truly atrocious..

Because he's a mutant he's not subject to the rules about humans.

Ignoring the fact that mutants are mutated humans.. hell the sentinals can't tell the difference.

"Because he has claws he doesn't have a sphenoid bone."

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A human's optic nerve opening may not be big enough. But apparently Wolverine's mutant one is. It's clear from the New X-Men scan. I don't believe I need to post the scan again to see how clear it is that it goes through his eye socket and plinks against the back of his skull. Have you seen the scan?
It's PIS.

He HAS a sphenoid Bone:

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by Creshosk
"Because he has claws he doesn't have a sphenoid bone."

^this line perfectly encapsulates his logic in this instance.

Creshosk Senior Member
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^this line perfectly encapsulates his logic in this instance.

What's really sad is he's trying to defend this:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
2) He could spit out his tooth and have it enter Wolverine's brain through either his eye socket, throat cavity or nasal cavity for a ko.

By discrediting Wolverine.. not realizing that he has ONE scan of someone shooting wolverine through the eye.

Shooting him through the ear does not prove he can be shot through the eye.
Stabbing him in the throat does not prove that he can be shot in the eye.

So in honesty, he has ONE eye shot feat... which of course goes against two proof positive scans of him having a sphenoid bone, plus it breaks the PIS rule.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Psycho Gundam, you can feel free to disagree with it. But your logic depends on applying human anatomy to a comic book character that isn't human and has an already odd bone structure and the below happened to him on-panel. I've already shown you scans that indicate there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets. AND, he has three to four other instances of projectiles/claws entering into his brain from other cavities, despite what human anatomy teaches us. My logic is perfectly encapsulated in this scan. Simple as that:

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Psycho Gundam, you can feel free to disagree with it. But your logic depends on applying human anatomy to a comic book character that isn't human and has an already odd bone structure and the below happened to him on-panel. I've already shown you scans that indicate there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets. AND, he has three to four other instances of projectiles/claws entering into his brain from other cavities, despite what human anatomy teaches us. My logic is perfectly encapsulated in this scan. Simple as that:
wolverine has six extra bones, that is it. he doesn't lack any bone somewhere else to compensate for his claws or something.

c'mon man, i don't want to start calling you "OneDumbShmoe".

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You can feel free to disagree with it. But your logic depends on applying human anatomy to a comic book character that isn't human and has an already odd bone structure and the below happened to him on-panel.
Your logic relys on a slippery slope fallacy, breaking the rules of the forum, goes counter to two positive feats of him having the bone.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've already shown you scans that indicate there is depth behind Wolverine's eye sockets.
You used a comic book cover, a non-canon source and one of which turns out shows the sphenoid bone.

You have ONE scan that cotradicts real world anatomy. (aside from your scan there is no evidence to support the supposition that he doesn't have it. and using that scan in question as proof is circular reaosning.)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
AND, he has three to four other instances
you have ONE feat. Shooting him through the ear doesn't prove he has no sphenoid bone.
Stabbing him through the throat does not prove he has no sphenoid bone.

You have ONE instance of his sphenoid bone not existing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
of projectiles/claws entering into his brain from other cavities, despite what human anatomy teaches us.
EAch of the others IS PIS in their own right as well.

Shooting him through the eye does not prove he can be shot through the ear.
Stabbing him in the throat does not prove he can be shot through the ear.
Shooting him in the eye does not prove he cabn be brain stabbed through the throat.
Shooting him in the ear does not prove that he can be brain stabbed through the throat.

The scans do not prove each other accurate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
My logic is perfectly encapsulated in this scan. Simple as that:
Circular reasoning fallacy.

Look, there is NOTHING logical about your arguments. You use faulty evidence, non-canon evidence, circular reasoning, you have ONE feat for each injury.

You're going against the established canon of what a mutant is.
You're going against established canon as to what adamanitum is.
You have one scan versus two.
You are going against the no-non canon sources rule. (In ultimates hulk rippied him in half, in 616 hulk FAILED to rip him in half. In 616 blasting him down to the bones leaves his skeleton in tact. in AOA a blast will seperate his bones.)

Your ONE scan is PIS.

plain and fucking simple.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wolverine has six extra bones, that is it. he doesn't lack any bone somewhere else to compensate for his claws or something.

c'mon man, i don't want to start calling you "OneDumbShmoe".

I never suggested his "missing bones" were compensating for his extra claws. You don't need to put words into my mouth. He gets his brain shot from his eye cavity, his throat cavity, his ear cavity (even though there isn't one) and his nasal cavity. What do you want? It's there on-panel. His skull is screwy. He's a mutant. It's a comic book. Danger looks like she stabbed Logan's brain from his throat cavity also. X-23 and Wolverine talk about him getting stabbed from there. Fact is, I've got a feral mutant comic character who has an already odd bone structure and has four-five CLEAR and UNDENIABLE on-panel instances of his brain getting penetrated even though human anatomy suggests it shouldn't. What have you got? Real-life human anatomy science and some blurry vague scans that could very reasonably be interpreted as tehre being depth behind his eye sockets?

If someone at Marvel publicly retracts those instances, I'm all good. Until then, plain presentation of the comic and numerous instances suggest that Wolverine's skull isn't normal and his brain can be penetrated by projectiles/claws. I didn't write the darn comics. Marvel did. Til then, I'll continue to argue that Midnighter can shoot his tooth bullet into one of these cavities and give himself better chances to win the fight.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never suggested his "missing bones" were compensating for his extra claws. You don't need to put words into my mouth. He gets his brain shot from his eye cavity, his throat cavity, his ear cavity (even though there isn't one) and his nasal cavity. What do you want? It's there on-panel. His skull is screwy. He's a mutant. It's a comic book. Danger looks like she stabbed Logan's brain from his throat cavity also. X-23 and Wolverine talk about him getting stabbed from there. Fact is, I've got a feral mutant comic character who has an already odd bone structure and has four-five CLEAR and UNDENIABLE on-panel instances of his brain getting penetrated even though human anatomy suggests it shouldn't. What have you got? Real-life human anatomy science and some blurry vague scans that could very reasonably be interpreted as tehre being depth behind his eye sockets?

If someone at Marvel publicly retracts those instances, I'm all good. Until then, plain presentation of the comic and numerous instances suggest that Wolverine's skull isn't normal and his brain can be penetrated by projectiles/claws. I didn't write the darn comics. Marvel did. Til then, I'll continue to argue that Midnighter can shoot his tooth bullet into one of these cavities and give himself better chances to win the fight.

so, in essence you are ignoring artist/writer error and the correct mammalian endoskeleton right? nature basically screwed logan over.

normally people see things that aren't there, you are doing the opposite.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never suggested his "missing bones" were compensating for his extra claws. You don't need to put words into my mouth. He gets his brain shot from his eye cavity, his throat cavity, his ear cavity (even though there isn't one) and his nasal cavity.
Each one is a different instance and they do not support each other.

You have four examples of PIS.

Storm cannot fly on solar winds, Storm cannot control the sun to fire lasers at people, storm cannot absorb the galactic core.

Spiderman has not knocked out firelord.

There are KMC rules against using one time showings that are stupid.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What do you want? It's there on-panel. His skull is screwy.
No its not. Stop trolling

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's a mutant. It's a comic book. Danger looks like she stabbed Logan's brain from his throat cavity also. X-23 and Wolverine talk about him getting stabbed from there. Fact is, I've got a feral mutant comic character who has an already odd bone structure
[ You cannot use the fact that he has three extra claws as evidence to support your PIS feats. Equivocation is not logical.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
and has four-five CLEAR and UNDENIABLE on-panel instances of his brain getting penetrated even though human anatomy suggests it shouldn't.
They do not support each other.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What have you got? Real-life human anatomy science and some blurry vague scans that could very reasonably be interpreted as tehre being depth behind his eye sockets?
Discarding on panel feats that are supported and logical is trolling.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If someone at Marvel publicly retracts those instances, I'm all good.[/quote[ Marvel's never retracted the other instances of things that are not allowed to be used in debate.. except storm flying on solar wind... that does not mean that they can be used in debate.

[QUOTE=10790968]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Until then, plain presentation of the comic and numerous instances[/quote[ You have ONE for each instance.

[QUOTE=10790968]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
suggest that Wolverine's skull isn't normal and his brain can be penetrated by projectiles/claws.

Which goes counter to the scan that clearly shows he has a sphenoid bone which is supported by real world anatomy. The fact that he's a mutant does not justify your horrible logic.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I didn't write the darn comics. Marvel did.[/quote[ The mods sure as hell wrote the rules you're ignoring.

[QUOTE=10790968]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Til then, I'll continue to argue that Midnighter can shoot his tooth bullet into one of these cavities and give himself better chances to win the fight.

Breaking the rules..

Reported for trolling.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by psycho gundam
so, in essence you are ignoring artist/writer error and the correct mammalian endoskeleton right? nature basically screwed logan over.

normally people see things that aren't there, you are doing the opposite.

Dude. Maybe the artists and writers and editors aren't wrong? Maybe Wolverine doesn't have the correct mamalian endoskeleton? He already has six claws protruding from his forearms, he already has an odd bone structure. Nature basically already screwed Logan over when they put claws into his arms that cause him excruciating and never-ending pain.

Normally, people with motives blind themselves into not seeing things that are there. I'm doing the opposite of that. I am seeing what's there plainly and clearly.

I've got the scans handy if you want to see them? I know they've been littered across different threads, but perhaps you aren't looking at what I am looking at? I'm talking about four separate and clear instances that suggest Wolverine has gaps that allow access to his brain. Simple as that. And if someone has that darn Danger scan, I'm pretty sure I'd have five... 😒: