you're not listening... Doomsday would punch a whole through Goku as well. It's a question of durability and stamina and Marvel/DC characters are exceedingly more so than DBZ characters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtxwKm8O20
you dont think Superman would crush every bone in a Saiyan's body with a full strength punch? What leads you to believe that DBZ characters are physically stronger?
Originally posted by Tyrant
Yes, because a planetary explosion is only slightly stronger than a nuke, right?More like quadrillions of times stronger. Superman got knocked out for a good 10 count in the fight against Doomsday to an attack "one million times stronger than a nuke".
A Death Ball would damn near kill him.
You're using a 15 year old story from the Jurgens era as evidence? Good thing Superman hasn't gotten stronger and gone through 2 reboots since then, otherwise you'd have no argument.
Originally posted by Tyrantno.
Doomsday can and has put holes through Superman too so saying he'll put a hole through Goku isn't helping your case.
Like I've said numerous times, but you don't seem to want to acknowledge, Doomsday/Superman are on a completely different level than Goku in terms of physical strength, durability and stamina. Your assertion makes no sense because for it to be accurate, it would have to be determined that Goku, has anywhere near the physical strength of Doomsday.
Superman's bones are almost impossible to break under normal circumstances (abnormal circumstances being, using Kryptonite or a creature that was made specifically to be better than him - Doomsday); but DBZ characters have had their bones broken easily on various occasions. Please stop ignoring facts.
Originally posted by TyrantYou never specified which version was to be referenced. Why would we used an inferior version of the character to base our argument around? That's just illogical.
I like how it's wrong to use a 15 year old issue as evidence against post-crisis Superman but using pre-crisis Superman is perfectly fine. You comic wankers sure are amusing.
The only amusing thing is how you have failed to provide any facts to back up your claims that...
Goku > Superman... in terms of physical strength, stamina or durability.
TODAY'S BATTLE
Hunter/Prey Doomsday Versus Movie 8 Broly
Broli; DBZ Movie 8
I cannot think of a more powerful being in all of anime.
Here was his power level compared to the Z Fighters
Movie 8: The Legendary Super SaiyanBroli (Birth) - 10,000
Young Broli (Bluntz-wave augmentation) - 5,500,000
SSJ Young Broli - 137,500,000
Broli (Hypnotized by the purple-spectrum radiation of Paragus' device) - 2,000
Angered Broli (Bluntz-waves competing with device) - 500,000,000
Broli (Device surpassed by increased bluntz-wave augmentation) - 750,000,000
Broli (Enhanced device slowing increase of bluntz-wave augmentation) - 4,000,000
Broli (Supressed) - 4,000Super-muscled SSJ Vegeta-750,000,000,000
Enraged Broli (Enhanced device surpassed by increasing bluntz-wave augmentation) - 100,000,000,000
Gargantuen super ultra-muscled SSJ (Increasing bluntz-wave augmentation w/o device) - 75,000,000,000,000Super-powered SSJ Goku - 1,500,000,000,000
Super-powered SSJ Gohan-2,000,000,000,000
Super-muscled SSJ Trunks-500,000,000,000
Piccolo - 22,750,000,000Gargantuen super ultra-muscled SSJ Broli (Final increase in bluntz-wave augmentation) - 100,000,000,000,000
Weakened Super-powered SSJ Goku (W/ki) - 3,000,000,000,000
Injured Super-powered SSJ Goku (w/ki) - 2,500,000,000,000
Injured Super-powered SSJ Goku (w/Vegeta's ki) - 4,000,000,000,000
Injured super-powered SSJ Goku (Ki augmented-blow to stab wound) - 100,000,000,000,000Gargantuen super ultra-muscled SSJ Broli (Losing bluntz-wave enriched blood fast) - 3,000,000,000,000-750,000,000,000
Second Coming:
Broli (Post-zenkai) - 4,000,000,000
Gohan- 10,000,000,000
Super-powered SSJ Broli - 200,000,000,000
Ultra-powered SSJ Gohan- 1,000,000,000,000
Gargantuen super-ultra-muscled SSJ Broli - 3,000,000,000,000Sorry guys, Broli was stronger than SS3 Goku in Movie 8. But not in Movie 10 because he lost the bluntz-waves in his blood.
Those bluntz-waves wouldn't have made him nearly that strong if they hadn't increased to compete with Paragus' device. A normal saiyan would probably be controlled by that same device without perpetuating bluntz-wave augmentation, but Broli was an ultra-elite.
Originally posted by Tyrant
I like how it's wrong to use a 15 year old issue as evidence against post-crisis Superman but using pre-crisis Superman is perfectly fine. You comic wankers sure are amusing.
This would be a valid argument if I'd actually ever mentioned pre-crisis Superman. try to actually counter my argument.
Are you asserting that as of 2010 Superman has not shown feats of durability that exceed his 1990's incarnation?
If Movie Superman were in DB his power level might possibly push 100, comic book superman would be under 100 thousand. Broly would utterly crush cosmic beings, he'd be fair game for Odin, Zues, Galactus ect.
There's no reason Goku can't just kill Superman, you are thinking about this too much.It's simple power levels.
Originally posted by MasterMyOwnMind
If Movie Superman were in DB his power level might possibly push 100, comic book superman would be under 100 thousand. Broly would utterly crush cosmic beings, he'd be fair game for Odin, Zues, Galactus ect.There's no reason Goku can't just kill Superman, you are thinking about this too much.It's simple power levels.
I'm not seeing any proof. Just crazy claims. Lets have some Goku feats that exceed high end current Superman.
Originally posted by marwash22
Nah, you're not thinking hard enough. Power levels do not equate to physical strength, stamina or durability, all power levels are, is the measurement of energy being pumped out.
No power level measures strength and ki energy, ie everything, it measures everything. Goku was moving boulders and playing baseball with missiles when his power level was still under 100.
Think of Broli as the 8th day juggernaut's durability combined with pre-crisis superman's strength combined with 100% galactus' energy manipulation. That's the real super saiyan we witness in movie 8. And all you need for evidence is that music video and the relativistic power of the 5 Z Fighters who can't put up any serious defense before being thrashed.
Originally posted by MasterMyOwnMind
No power level measures strength and ki energy, ie everything, it measures everything. Goku was moving boulders and playing baseball with missiles when his power level was still under 100.Think of Broli as the 8th day juggernaut's durability combined with pre-crisis superman's strength combined with 100% galactus' energy manipulation. That's the real super saiyan we witness in movie 8. And all you need for evidence is that music video and the relativistic power of the 5 Z Fighters who can't put up any serious defense before being thrashed.
Once again you need proof. Brolly has no feats to suggest he's at the power level you want him to be. I won't comment on 8th day Juggernaut. Beating up the Z fighters does not put you at pre-crisis Superman's strength and debatable galaxy busting does not put you on the level of Galactus.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Once again you need proof. Brolly has no feats to suggest he's at the power level you want him to be. I won't comment on 8th day Juggernaut. Beating up the Z fighters does not put you at pre-crisis Superman's strength and debatable galaxy busting does not put you on the level of Galactus.
I guess it's what you make it since they're in two different universes.To make Broly in his prime was just as indestructible as juggernaut, could lift and press as much as Superman and could do everything Galactus could do with his ki energy destruction-wise.
I'd maintain Galactus is superior in every way except energy production. But I'd expect someone like Broly to kill Superman worse than Doomsday could.