ANIME Fighters VS AMERICAN Superheros

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"See? That's what listening to fan mags gets ya!"

Superman and goku fight totally different, TOTALLY different unless you can name me at least one time where a mere brick has ever hit goku with a punch.

Yakkon, Hirudegarn.

Busiek's offical word On Kovikt is that he is fast enough to hit Superman. He's said either Superman wasn't use his speed for some reason or that Konvikt is just as fast as Superman. It's up to the reader.

So either of our opinions of him is just as valid.

I'm interested. Despero hits Superman so Superman must be slow. Dabura who has no speed feats hits Gohan so he must be fast. Double standard here.

ugh, superman has better durability, hes stronger, faster, just as skilled, etc. it wouldnt be easy for superman he'd win though

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
ugh, superman has better durability, hes stronger, faster, just as skilled, etc. it wouldnt be easy for superman he'd win though

Answer this, "why is superman more durable" and to my knowledge didnt a depowered superman fight lex luthor and get stomped (still won) so how is he more or even close to being as skilled as goku.And stronger, when has superman ever fought someone and the ground cracked, mountains crumbled and the shock wave alone was felt miles away and had made a human fly for miles.

Superman would get stomped by goku, its just that simple.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Yakkon, Hirudegarn.

Busiek's offical word On Kovikt is that he is fast enough to hit Superman. He's said either Superman wasn't use his speed for some reason or that Konvikt is just as fast as Superman. It's up to the reader.

So either of our opinions of him is just as valid.

I'm interested. Despero hits Superman so Superman must be slow. Dabura who has no speed feats hits Gohan so he must be fast. Double standard here.

Show me busiek saying this then maybe I'll agree and then if he did say that kovikt had speed I want you to show me superman fighting at light speed or even saying that he could or just show me konvikt being stated as fighting at light speed or even close. Theres nothing on panel saying that superman can fight any where close to the speed of light and its ridiculous to think otherwise.

Goku has never been hit by a mere brick and it will never happen, this happen on a rgular basis for superman. And not only have despero hit superman, kalibak has hit superman, grundy has hit superman, batman has tagged superman, superman couldnt even catch a fleeing deathstroke, darkseid has hit superman, lobo has hit superman and the list goes on. How many times does he have to be hit by a brick before you all stop saying that its pis.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this, "why is superman more durable" and to my knowledge didnt a depowered superman fight lex luthor and get stomped (still won) so how is he more or even close to being as skilled as goku.And stronger, when has superman ever fought someone and the ground cracked, mountains crumbled and the shock wave alone was felt miles away and had made a human fly for miles.

Superman would get stomped by goku, its just that simple.

other than surviving a planet explosion which goku never has, surviving a sun going supernova right next to him, and so on. goku has none of these feats

luthor himself is pretty skilled none the less, superman without his powers is often shocked at how weak he is and is extremely fatigued, he has been shown to be a master or at least know several martial arts.

.....and yes, supermans fight with darkseid was felt across a star system, supermans fight with superman-2 had shockwaves that destroyed the planet, his fight with zod (under a red sun) tore up a planet.....rocking mountains is nothing to him

Originally posted by carver9
Show me busiek saying this then maybe I'll agree and then if he did say that kovikt had speed I want you to show me superman fighting at light speed or even saying that he could or just show me konvikt being stated as fighting at light speed or even close. Theres nothing on panel saying that superman can fight any where close to the speed of light and its ridiculous to think otherwise.

Goku has never been hit by a mere brick and it will never happen, this happen on a rgular basis for superman. And not only have despero hit superman, kalibak has hit superman, grundy has hit superman, batman has tagged superman, superman couldnt even catch a fleeing deathstroke, darkseid has hit superman, lobo has hit superman and the list goes on. How many times does he have to be hit by a brick before you all stop saying that its pis.

Nice that you just forget about all the times Superman has proven he's got the reflexes to go with his speed...and that he always hold back and that some of those people are physically stronger than Gokou, and that Batman himself has stated that if Superman wanted Batman would be a smear on the sidewalk. Superman not using his speed always in a fight doesn't mean he is slow.

other than surviving a planet explosion which goku never has, surviving a sun going supernova right next to him, and so on. goku has none of these feats

What you fail to understand is that is was a yellow sun explosion that superman survived, that down played the feat entirely unless youre saying that dr light> a blast of supernova proportion since dr light did ko superman with a blast. A injured frieza survived a planet destroying blast and frieza dad said that a planet destroying blast is nothing to frieza.

luthor himself is pretty skilled none the less, superman without his powers is often shocked at how weak he is and is extremely fatigued, he has been shown to be a master or at least know several martial arts.

Excuses, superman had a damn black eye when he fought luthor and thats not the 1st time he was without his powers. You must forgot when him and batman fought some thugs on the roof and he was powerless and show me something that say that luthor know karate or is even close to goku when it comes to combat.

.....and yes, supermans fight with darkseid was felt across a star system, supermans fight with superman-2 had shockwaves that destroyed the planet, his fight with zod (under a red sun) tore up a planet.....rocking mountains is nothing to him

Hyperbole, it would have been much better if the narrator said it. The only damage superman and darksied fight did was wreck a barn and barely did that. Show me that scan of superman fight with superman-2 that destroyed a planet. 😆 I guess you dont know why the planet was being destroyed when him and zod fought. Now thats hilarious. I think rocking mountains and creating earth quakes is more then all the nonsense that you posted. You truly need to read those book before posting assumptions.

I'm not getting in this bullshit debate, though I will say I do believe Goku is a better fighter than Superman.

Originally posted by Kento
Nice that you just forget about all the times Superman has proven he's got the reflexes to go with his speed...and that he always hold back and that some of those people are physically stronger than Gokou, and that Batman himself has stated that if Superman wanted Batman would be a smear on the sidewalk. Superman not using his speed always in a fight doesn't mean he is slow.

So youre basically saying that when kalibak knocked superman out he purposely let that happen. Or your saying that when superman fought equus he purposely let equus rip half of his chest off. What about konvikt, he purposely let konvikt knock him the hell out. Did he purposely let titus knock him out in there 1st encounter, what about the second encounter, did he purposely let titus grab his head and slam it to wonder womans. What about despero, since hes so fast Im guessing that he purposely let despero grab him by the head and slam his head with captain marvel. None of those people have proven to me yet that they are stronger then goku. Until they create tornados from mere punches or create earth quakes or shockwaves thats crushing the city, then and maybe then will I agree with you.

Superman not using his speed always in a fight doesn't mean he is slow.

I never said that superman is slow I just said that he cant hang with goku.

and that Batman himself has stated that if Superman wanted Batman would be a smear on the sidewalk.

Goku during the time that he fought master roshi during the tournament would smear batman across the sidewalk so what was the point of this post.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I'm not getting in this bullshit debate, though I will say I do believe Goku is a better fighter than Superman.

WOW, I just can believe it. I know that youre not saying that Superman wouldnt stomp goku but I cant believe you just said this. By the way I want you to get involved, youre the main reason Im in here posting. Put your comments in, your a good debator.

Originally posted by carver9
So youre basically saying that when kalibak knocked superman out he purposely let that happen. Or your saying that when superman fought equus he purposely let equus rip half of his chest off. What about konvikt, he purposely let konvikt knock him the hell out. Did he purposely let titus knock him out in there 1st encounter, what about the second encounter, did he purposely let titus grab his head and slam it to wonder womans. What about despero, since hes so fast Im guessing that he purposely let despero grab him by the head and slam his head with captain marvel. None of those people have proven to me yet that they are stronger then goku. Until they create tornados from mere punches or create earth quakes or shockwaves thats crushing the city, then and maybe then will I agree with you.

I never said that superman is slow I just said that he cant hang with goku.

Goku during the time that he fought master roshi during the tournament would smear batman across the sidewalk so what was the point of this post.

Holding back doesn't mean he makes himself less durable..so yea holding back on what he can do with speed, and range attacks he did basically let himself get koed by people strong enough to. Gokou hasn't proven himself anywhere near Superman's league to ko him with any kind of punch...And what are you talking about? They have never created anything like that with punches and kicks in DB. The only thing that has causes anything are when Gokou has powered up or the collision or explosions of blasts. Even Trunk and Goten going all out without turning ssj did nothing to the surrounding stadium or people.

Maybe not in skill....but who really needs more skill when you are a lot faster, a lot stronger, and a lot more durable.

You used Batman hitting Superman as if Superman is slow...Superman let Batman hit him. Superman has let Batman hit him plenty of times even let him shoot him with missles from the Batjet. That was the point. Superman lets people hit him.

Originally posted by carver9
WOW, I just can believe it. I know that youre not saying that Superman wouldnt stomp goku but I cant believe you just said this. By the way I want you to get involved, youre the main reason Im in here posting. Put your comments in, your a good debator.
Well I'm not a total dick who believes Superman holds every advantage possible with Goku. Goku has shown more consistent showings of fighting skill than Superman, who on average IMO is just a skilled brawler, with most skills coming from boxing.

What are you all arguing right now? Superman's speed?

HUH,

Holding back doesn't mean he makes himself less durable..so yea holding back on what he can do with speed, and range attacks he did basically let himself get koed by people strong enough to. Gokou hasn't proven himself anywhere near Superman's league to ko him with any kind of punch...And what are you talking about? They have never created anything like that with punches and kicks in DB. The only thing that has causes anything are when Gokou has powered up or the collision or explosions of blasts. Even Trunk and Goten going all out without turning ssj did nothing to the surrounding stadium or people.

Kento, dont take this the wrong way, if you do my bad, this is the most ridiculous statement I have heard of in my life. If you are a thousand times more faster then your opponent even if youre holding back you should STILL see them in slow motion. There should be no reasons for that person being able to even land one lick. Do you think that goku was going all out when he fought berta and chase, if you say yes then why werent they still able to even touch goku, not with there blast or even the thousand punches they were throwing at him. With nappa, do you think that goku was holding back, if you say yes then why was nappa unable to touch him with the hundreds of punches that he was throwing. If flash was holding back should I be able to tag him. Superman gets owned by bricks, just deal with it.

Maybe not in skill....but who really needs more skill when you are a lot faster, a lot stronger, and a lot more durable.

I guess you basing goku durability off of him being hurt in combat by his equals, well I guess superman isnt durable since despero knocked blood from his mouth, I guess superman isnt durable since zod broke his jaw, or how about him being knocked out temperarily by the destructive blast of a dying imperex probe. He also got cut across the chest by equus, got slice across the face by despero claws, had cuts and bruises by hp doomsday and actually had black eyes. Do you see the amount of damage you equal or superior could do you you, hell batman with the black rock knocked blood from his mouth. I see no reason for goku superiors/equals damaging him.

You used Batman hitting Superman as if Superman is slow...Superman let Batman hit him. Superman has let Batman hit him plenty of times even let him shoot him with missles from the Batjet. That was the point. Superman lets people hit him.

Superman is a idiot for letting people almost kill him and thats what I got to say about that.

Originally posted by carver9
HUH,

Kento, dont take this the wrong way, if you do my bad, this is the most ridiculous statement I have heard of in my life. If you are a thousand times more faster then your opponent even if youre holding back you should STILL see them in slow motion. There should be no reasons for that person being able to even land one lick. Do you think that goku was going all out when he fought berta and chase, if you say yes then why werent they still able to even touch goku, not with there blast or even the thousand punches they were throwing at him. With nappa, do you think that goku was holding back, if you say yes then why was nappa unable to touch him with the hundreds of punches that he was throwing. If flash was holding back should I be able to tag him. Superman gets owned by bricks, just deal with it.

I guess you basing goku durability off of him being hurt in combat by his equals, well I guess superman isnt durable since despero knocked blood from his mouth, I guess superman isnt durable since zod broke his jaw, or how about him being knocked out temperarily by the destructive blast of a dying imperex probe. He also got cut across the chest by equus, got slice across the face by despero claws, had cuts and bruises by hp doomsday and actually had black eyes. Do you see the amount of damage you equal or superior could do you you, hell batman with the black rock knocked blood from his mouth. I see no reason for goku superiors/equals damaging him.

Superman is a idiot for letting people almost kill him and thats what I got to say about that.

And how interesting would it be to see Superman beat the villain in like one panel because he's so much faster? Or Superman or Flash beat every villain because they can just blitz the guy in JLA comics. Really when Batman is any kind of help on a team of beings like GL, and Supes something is up. I like Bats but he really doesn't belong half the time in fights. In fights Superman is hit because it's a comic. He's shown reflexes on par with his speed plenty of times. Flash has been tagged by people he shouldn't in a million years, Wonder Woman has survived a fight against a sun-amped Superman while doing worse against a regular Supes. It's all because the story calls for it. And no Gokou wasn't going all out on the Ginyu....but they really aren't all that fast compared to speedsters in comics. At least DC anyway don't really know many speedsters in Marvel. I can name plenty of times the Z fighters have been seen by normal people or been to slow to do something. Speaking of Nappa...Gokou was able to disappear from Nappa, and get on his head, and behind him and all that so quick without any kind of power up yet he had to use Kaioken to even try and catch him when he went for Gohan. Stuff happens to move the story along.

And not one person Gokou has fought equals anybody in strength you named. Gokou is hurt by much weaker people. And not everybody has the same strength just because they have a higher power level. Gokou's punches don't exactly cause much destruction to the surrounding area either. Even back in the day when he died Superman's punches going all out caused more damage to the surrounding area. The Z fighters damage the area with blasts. Besides I never said Gokou wasn't durable...taking a missle as a kid sorta proves he is, and he's only gotten stronger. Doesn't make him more durable than Superman.

And how interesting would it be to see Superman beat the villain in like one panel because he's so much faster?

Thats the thing, he dont have one combat speed feat thats even comparable to regular dragonball goku as a child. You keep bringing up him flying across galaxy when you honestly need to read a dictionary on the difference between combat speed and fighting speed. He only has a couple of good showings and those showings arent even comparable to anything that goes on in dbz. And again, prove to me that superman can fight/blitz at light speed.

Or Superman or Flash beat every villain because they can just blitz the guy in JLA comics.

You want to know the difference between flash and superman, bricks struggle to hit flash but they dont have such a hard time ripping superman up. Why cant they blitz half of the people that they fight, trust me, they are durable enough to take it unless you basically saying that darksied, titus, and despero cant take a mere blitz.

And no Gokou wasn't going all out on the Ginyu....but they really aren't all that fast compared to speedsters in comics.

The ginyu force was extremely fast, flying to fast that they were creating blurs, punching at goku a thousand times in a couple of seconds. Goku just made them look foolish because he was superior. They flew from one side of the planet namek to the other side in seconds to catch up with vegeta.

I like Bats but he really doesn't belong half the time in fights.

I agree with this statement but you can take it away because its cannon.

In fights Superman is hit because it's a comic.

Again, excuses, goku is a comic and he still has not been hit by bricks. Goku holds back but still see bricks in slow motion. Im going to say it like this, if we were to create a circle but its villians that make the circle. The villians are darksied, kalibak, solomon grundy, despero, titus, and equus and you sit frieza in the middle of this circle of people and they go all out punching at him for hours, not one will land a lick. Answer this for me, why is ALL of goku enemies is speedsters but 90% of superman enemies are bricks. I wonder why but I'll let you answer that.

He's shown reflexes on par with his speed plenty of times.

Show me something showing his reflexes moving at light speed. I only have one scan that is worth mentioning of superman and thats the one where he is punching so fast that its creating sonic booms, thats basically it. There is nothing indicating that he can punch or fight the speed of light and the little that you have shown again goku as a child did much better like moving so fast he created after images that was actually moving and fighting. Or how about him moving so fast as a child that he became invisible to the crowd for some minutes, even krillin couldnt see him. Or how about him shooting a kamehameha blast and beating the blast to its destination and all of this is when he was a child. Or I could just bring up 10 people shooting machine gun bullets at him and hes knocking all of them out of the air. The last time that happened to superman superman needed flash help because he couldnt stop the bullets or lets talk about in superman "for tomorrow" comic where he wasnt fast enough to stop bullets from killing these people ending with him saying "sometimes being faster then a speeding bullet isnt fast enough."

Flash has been tagged by people he shouldn't in a million years

either plot device or they struggle to even lay a finger on him. Noone has never went h2h with flash except maybe zoom.

At least DC anyway don't really know many speedsters in Marvel.

Dc characters havent shown me s*** to make me think that they are superior to marvel in speed. I can name at least 10 beings that travels through space just as easy but that still dont give them goku's combat speed. Vulcan has crossed solar system in days which is still faster then light but goku would rip his spine out.

I can name plenty of times the Z fighters have been seen by normal people or been to slow to do something.

I can name plenty of times too where dbz was seen by fighters but I can also name hundreds of time when humans was thinking where the hell are they, even superhumans being unable to keep up with them. I can also show something where captain ginyu turns to light because he moved so fast and I can show you goku turning to light because hes moving so fast.

Speaking of Nappa...Gokou was able to disappear from Nappa,

Something that superman has never done, move so fast that the person is wondering where in the hell is he.

Stuff happens to move the story along.

I agree with this post but that still dont take away the centuries worth of evidence that superman= a brick. For every one thing that you name for goku I can name 100's for superman.

I forgot to post to some of your other quotes

And not one person Gokou has fought equals anybody in strength you named.

I think they do since nappa and tien mere swings was causing tornados and creating earthquakes Or how about frieza and goku fight that destroyed moutains. I can also bring up captain ginyu flinching his arm sending people out of orbit but superman had to do his hardest punch to lobo to send him flying out of orbit. I can also bring up goku kicking frieza so hard that he went through one mountain, through earths crust and destroying another small mountain. Or how about goku kicking vegeta through two mountains in there 1st confrontation. Or I can bring up the frieza and goku fight again where there mere punches was creating shockwaves that was seen and felt miles away. That feat alone is more then a 100 tonner. Or there punches being heard everytime they fight. Im referring to the times when they are fighting so fast that they only thing that you hear is BOOM, BOOM.

Gokou is hurt by much weaker people.

Name a character that was weaker then goku that hurt him. I can name one for superman, batman with the black rock, dr. poloris, and doctor light.

And not everybody has the same strength just because they have a higher power level.

Your powerlevel has a lot to do with you strength and speed. Frieza was more powerful then goku, thats why he was always a step ahead of him and was shown to be stronger BECAUSE of his power level until goku went super sayain and passed him, we seen what happened then. You truly dont know nothing about dragonball. The more powerful you are, you are much faster, stronger, more durable then you were before unless you honestly think that black hair goku can match his super sayain counterpart in all of those departments.

Gokou's punches don't exactly cause much destruction to the surrounding area either.

Look at more dbz, in almost every fight earthquakes and mansoons and cities shake.

Even back in the day when he died Superman's punches going all out caused more damage to the surrounding area.

but yet when he went all out on doomsday and gave him his hardest punch only some windows shattered. 😆

The Z fighters damage the area with blasts.

The z warriors damage the area with strength. It has been shown on too many of occasion. Again tien and nappa fight. Vegeta when he fought that pretty boy dude that can turn into a monster (forgot his name), hell captain ginyu and goku punches was so extreme that boulders was rising around them and the waters in the sea was actually turning into live tornados.

Besides I never said Gokou wasn't durable...taking a missle as a kid sorta proves he is, and he's only gotten stronger.

Let me correct this, billions and billions stronger then his kid self.

Doesn't make him more durable than Superman.

He could be more durable if you ask me since I have yet to see goku damaged by a space ship blast that had him bleeding, etc.... Or goku suffering a black eye just like the one he had when superman fought kalibak. I have never witnessed goku get his jaw broke either like superman has had on two occasions. I have seen goku bleed from the mouth (what characters hasnt when fighting there equal). I have never seen claws damage goku like despero claws have done and I have never seen goku one shotted or get koed by getting his head slammed into a mountain.

Lol, and goku cant hurt superman huh. Well doctor light didnt have a problem doing it.
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Originally posted by carver9
Lol, and goku cant hurt superman huh. Well doctor light didnt have a problem doing it.
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Koed him. 😆

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, and goku cant hurt superman huh. Well doctor light didnt have a problem doing it.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/JLA1420.jpg

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