Originally posted by Alucard25
Why because he said he could sorry but no.DBZ villains are known for talking out their asses like Cell for example.I mean unless you have some kind of solid evidence other than he said he could.
He thought it too himself when he was thinking of a strategy to kill Goku. Yea its always 'talking out of asses' when its a dbz character, people would hate to actually accept what the story tells us when it comes to them. More importantly Cell wasn't some lying bullshitter, people only say that because it makes it easier to discredit what they don't like, they rather lowball than acknowledge what the story obviously intends
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Enough for FTL at least but who knows for sure
Originally posted by jimBOFH
Is the increase permanent, or only temporary? And you still haven't explained what he can do if Vegeta destroys the sun, and any other yellow star that Superman attempts to use.
Also, how long does this process take for Superman- Vegeta's power should be increasing, permanently, by a factor of 10 in one healing.
Originally posted by Alucard25
Why because he said he could sorry but no.DBZ villains are known for talking out their asses like Cell for example.I mean unless you have some kind of solid evidence other than he said he could.
Z fighters can detect the power of their enemies, they can tell if a blast can destroy a planet. The Z fighters would have known if Cell was bluffing. if Freiza easily destroyed planet Vegeta, which is 10X gravity of earth on his weakest form, PL 500,000, then what about cooler? much worse.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Z fighters can detect the power of their enemies, they can tell if a blast can destroy a planet. The Z fighters would have known if Cell was bluffing. if Freiza easily destroyed planet Vegeta, which is 10X gravity of earth on his weakest form, PL 500,000, then what about cooler? much worse.
their blasts are wierd. when they fight eachother they never use that much power, and they can take more ki damage then physical
Originally posted by jalek moye
their blasts are wierd. when they fight eachother they never use that much power, and they can take more ki damage then physical
no. they used it. they can destroy the planet if they shot it directly to the planet.
about ki damage is more than physical damage... what should I say? that's dragon ball Z.
Originally posted by TheBadguyTo bad Cooler isn't canon so..even if he could that has about as much bearing as Broli being a galaxy destroyer.
He thought it too himself when he was thinking of a strategy to kill Goku. Yea its always 'talking out of asses' when its a dbz character, people would hate to actually accept what the story tells us when it comes to them. More importantly Cell wasn't some lying bullshitter, people only say that because it makes it easier to discredit what they don't like, they rather lowball than acknowledge what the story obviously intends
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Z fighters can detect the power of their enemies, they can tell if a blast can destroy a planet. The Z fighters would have known if Cell was bluffing. if Freiza easily destroyed planet Vegeta, which is 10X gravity of earth on his weakest form, PL 500,000, then what about cooler? much worse.
Knowing how much stronger somebody is than they are doesn't automatically mean they know how much power it takes to do something they have never done before. Also when not one of them are a scientific genius it doesn't help the case. Somebody can say it, and they won't know if it's true or not so they'll try to stop it anyway because of the chance it may be true.
Originally posted by jimBOFH
I'm talking Vegeta at EoZ. By this stage he is FAR more powerful than Frieza ever was, and more powerful than Broly too- he's definitely powerful enough to destroy a sun. If you believe the Broly arguments posted in a different thread a while back, then Broly- and therefore SSJ2 EoZ Vegeta- is powerful enough to one-shot a galaxy. I don't, but I do think that a star would be no problem for him. As for making his escape- the modified Saiyan space pods travel considerably faster than light (about 6 times that speed, based on Bulma's calculations where she talks about the time it would take a conventional earth rocket to travel to Namek) . So even without Goku's help (Instant Transmission), Vegeta can fire off a ki blast then escape in plenty of time.
If he could destroy a sun, (he can't) then where would he go? He would kill himself by doing that and Superman would just go back to Metropolis.
Originally posted by Kento
To bad Cooler isn't canon soKnowing how much stronger somebody is than they are doesn't automatically mean they know how much power it takes to do something they have never done before. Also when not one of them are a scientific genius it doesn't help the case. Somebody can say it, and they won't know if it's true or not so they'll try to stop it anyway because of the chance it may be true.
Neither is All Star or Kingdom Come, of course you didn't feel the need to point that out though.
Cell had already been called a universal threat multiple times, nobody even batted an eyelash when Cell said that, not one of them. Piccolo who was fused with a god had no doubts, if that was so far above them they would have said something at least an 'impossible!', nobody questioned if he could do it. King Kai the God of the North Galaxy didn't even deny it. Gohan had given up and even told him to just go ahead and do it. In dbz when somebody bluffs they call them out on it, and then get surprised when they find out it wasn't a bluff (Freeza).
Originally posted by TheBadguyWhat was said about All-Star Superman going close to the sun has been proven with canon Superman also. Didn't see KC Superman said. If you want to use non-canon things for Cooler saying he can..it's been proven twice in non-canon that they don't have the power to destroy the sun.
Neither is All Star or Kingdom Come, of course you didn't feel the need to point that out though.Cell had already been called a universal threat multiple times, nobody even batted an eyelash when Cell said that, not one of them. Piccolo who was fused with a god had no doubts, if that was so far above them they would have said something at least an 'impossible!', nobody questioned if he could do it. King Kai the God of the North Galaxy didn't even deny it. Gohan had given up and even told him to just go ahead and do it. In dbz when somebody bluffs they call them out on it, and then get surprised when they find out it wasn't a bluff (Freeza).
As for Cell..Buu Saga proves his words false. I don't think he was bluffing so much as...not knowing but thinking he could. It's not like Cell or anybody at all that fought or watched knows how much energy one would need to do it anyway.
Originally posted by Kento
What was said about All-Star Superman going close to the sun has been proven with canon Superman also. Didn't see KC Superman said. If you want to use non-canon things for Cooler saying he can..it's been proven twice in non-canon that they don't have the power to destroy the sun.As for Cell..Buu Saga proves his words false. I don't think he was bluffing so much as...not knowing but thinking he could. It's not like Cell or anybody at all that fought or watched knows how much energy one would need to do it anyway.
All Star is on a whole other level than regular Supes. When has that been proven with the sun or with Buu. Im sure the God of that Galaxy knows how much it would take, or at least be shocked to hear it when before then, no one the zfighters fought was doing more than single planets.
Originally posted by TheBadguyYes but his powers increased incredibly just by going near the sun. Which Superman has proven in canon also.
All Star is on a whole other level than regular Supes. When has that been proven with the sun or with Buu.
Broli and Bebi were both blasted into the sun. One by a triple Kamehameha with them all pouring all the power they had into it, and one by ssj4 Gokou. And the sun wasn't destroyed.
As for the solar system destroying...Buu destroyed one planet with a blast Gokou couldn't block, and wasn't even close to destroyed the solar system with it. So unless you believe Cell and ssj2 Gohan > Kid Buu and ssj3 Gokou.....
Originally posted by Kento
Yes but his powers increased incredibly just by going near the sun. Which Superman has proven in canon also.Broli and Bebi were both blasted into the sun. One by a triple Kamehameha with them all pouring all the power they had into it, and one by ssj4 Gokou. And the sun wasn't destroyed.
As for the solar system destroying...Buu destroyed one planet with a blast Gokou couldn't block, and wasn't even close to destroyed the solar system with it. So unless you believe Cell and ssj2 Gohan > Kid Buu and ssj3 Gokou.....
Everything about All Star was amped up, of course the sun amps regular Supes but its not the same as it was for All Star. Broly could destroy a sun, he destroyed at least a galaxy. He didn't try to destroy the sun, the wound from being stabbed as a baby exploded from the pressure of the kameha smashing him into the sun. As for Bebi I didn't watch much of GT because besides it sucking it made no sense. Was ssj4 Goku right at the sun focusing his attack on it or did it travel from the earth to the sun with Bebi as a buffer?
As for Buu I don't see how that proves anything in regards to Cell's kameha. Buu's attack was too large and too sudden for Goku to deflect, it wasn't about power. Cell was a ssj2 and spent all day charging his kameha, he put his full power into it, Kid Buu just raised his hand and threw his. Vegeta as a ssj2 was able to give Kid Buu a fight. Still Buu had destroyed several hundred planets in just a few years before he had IT so I'm not arguing anything Cell could do was beyond him but Cell's last resort could outdo Buu's casual.