ANIME Fighters VS AMERICAN Superheros

Originally posted by jimBOFH
I'm really not sure there are more American super heroes than Anime Characters. And as far as being ridiculously overpowered goes, I think the combination of DBZ characters, for martial prowess, and characters like Light Yagami from Death Note, is just broken, really.

Imagine if all the Z fighters were being used as frontline troops, while Light Yagami uses the Death Note to wipe out key figures, all under the direction of, say Section Chief Aramaki and L. Lawliet, with intelligence gathering being overseen by Section 9, the Laughing Man, and the Cabinet Intelligence Service. That's only 3 anime series, but the variety and extent of powers, IMO, gives them an insurmountable advantage.

Superman i atleast equal if not greater then Goku and hes a top dbz char. Dc comics alone has hundreds of chars equal or greater then him. alot just arnt used anymore or often. Marvel has more then that.

combine that wit the random power hours of alot of the smaler companies and yea i saw they have a higher number of powerful people. and talking about broken imagine if Thanos decided to re get the IG.

Originally posted by carver9
Versatility: I agree, I give that to surfer.
Durability: questionable. You cant say surfer is durable because of the damage that goku has taken from his equals. I'm pretty sure that firelord, terrax, and morg could damage surfer also.
Power output: This goes to goku. Both have the power to power up and blow up planets and also crash planets at will but I believed in cell word when he said that he could destroy a solar system because gohun believed it and all the z fighters are able to read power levels and out put of power.

Super saiyan goku would thrash silver surfer and that again is being generous. When it comes to marvel characters I give surfer the nod over a lot of characters but I honestly think that goku would destroy him given the chance.

surfer can raise his durabilty at will, he is faster and can manipulate matter and energy. he can make a slow ass kamehameha useless. a spirit bomb won't do shit to him either.

I came to respond to the latest book Endless wrote and now I see this thread went crazy....damnit Carver.

Originally posted by carver9
Versatility: I agree, I give that to surfer.
Durability: questionable. You cant say surfer is durable because of the damage that goku has taken from his equals. I'm pretty sure that firelord, terrax, and morg could damage surfer also.
Power output: This goes to goku. Both have the power to power up and blow up planets and also crash planets at will but I believed in cell word when he said that he could destroy a solar system because gohun believed it and all the z fighters are able to read power levels and out put of power.

Super saiyan goku would thrash silver surfer and that again is being generous. When it comes to marvel characters I give surfer the nod over a lot of characters but I honestly think that goku would destroy him given the chance.

I think you kind of underestimate Surfer sometimes Carver. I could be wrong but didn't you have Superman beating Surfer in a thread recently? anyway I agree with some of this and think they are a lot closer in stats than the usual dbz lowballers would lead people to believe. However Surfer is too versatile. There is a decent chance he could matter manip Goku and even without that he has too many different abilities, he could manipulate time if he wants.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Superman i atleast equal if not greater then Goku and hes a top dbz char. Dc comics alone has hundreds of chars equal or greater then him. alot just arnt used anymore or often. Marvel has more then that.

combine that wit the random power hours of alot of the smaler companies and yea i saw they have a higher number of powerful people. and talking about broken imagine if Thanos decided to re get the IG.

I really don't think so- I think Superman has a higher endurance than Goku or Vegeta, but that alone wouldn't be enough to beat them. Can Superman destroy planets? By the EoZ, Goku and Vegeta are far more powerful than Frieza ever was.
And if you really want broken- imagine if Vegeta wished for immortality using the Dragonballs. He would be unstoppable, and as a result of his immortality, and his Saiyan blood (making him become stronger after every fight, particularly when he recovered from severe wounds) he would eventually outstrip any opponent in terms of strength. From what I can tell, Superman doesn't have that capacity to get stronger the way that the Saiyans do, so he has limits that he can't surpass, whereas the Saiyans can always get stronger over time.

Superman has no limits Kingdom Come Superman proves this. As time goes on Superman gets more powerful and as far as we know Superman is already immortal so you would be wrong and Vegeta is my favorite anime character but he can't beat Superman 😐.

Originally posted by carver9
black hair goku>surfer and thats being generous.

And this children is why you don't do acid,it makes you delusional.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, surfer never fought someone like goku. I honestly think that surfer would get that ass whipped and again this is black hair goku.

Surfer has fought Galactus,Primordial Gods,Thanos,Uni Lord all of whom are way above Goku.Goku would get his ass stomped even at ssj3.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Surfer has fought Galactus,Primordial Gods,Thanos,Uni Lord all of whom are way above Goku.Goku would get his ass stomped even at ssj3.

Originally posted by Kento
And how many of those has Surfer beat? Cause Galactus and Thanos are more powerful. Gokou could fight Galactus and Thanos also even if he'd loose easily. Fighting doesn't mean much.

Never said he beat them did I,Carver said Surfer has never fought someone like Goku.

I was just proving Surfer has fought people many levels above Goku and Surfer did beat the Primordial Gods,it was due to the crunch but he did beat them and if I remember correctly he beat the Uni Lord as well might have to check up on that don't remember the exact details of it.

Originally posted by Alucard25
Never said he beat them did I,Carver said Surfer has never fought someone like Goku.

And not one single person you named is like Gokou so what he said would still stand.

Originally posted by Kento
And how many of those has Surfer beat? Cause Galactus and Thanos are more powerful. Gokou could fight Galactus and Thanos also even if he'd loose easily. Fighting doesn't mean much.

Galactus and THanos would rape Goku ever so hard.

Originally posted by Kento
Thats why I asked if he beat any of them. Mostly cause I know little about Surfer and just wondered if he beat any of them.

And not one single person you named is like Gokou so what he said would still stand.

And what exactly is so special about Goku that Surfer hasn't dealt with before?

I took it to mean Surfer has never fought anyone as powerful as Goku,which knowing Carver and the retarded amount of wank he gives Goku I wouldn't be surprised if he did mean it that way.

Originally posted by Alucard25
I was just proving Surfer has fought people many levels above Goku and Surfer did beat the Primordial Gods,it was due to the crunch but he did beat them and if I remember correctly he beat the Uni Lord as well might have to check up on that don't remember the exact details of it.

Surfer did beat the unilord but it was through the aid of a blackbody upgrade ( which he never seemes to have gotten rid of if i may add).

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer did beat the unilord but it was through the aid of a blackbody upgrade ( which he never seemes to have gotten rid of if i may add).

Ahh ok wasn't for sure on that thanks.

This is a really high feat for surfer

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Surferoutpowersmephistoinhisowndime.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Surferdefeatsmephisto.jpg

Being able to straight up overwhelm and defeat MEPHISTO( no plot devices no nothing just surfer unleashing his power) in his OWN REALM . Keep in mind mephisto is skyfather level+. Once meph realizes he is losing he takes a cheap shot at shalla baal.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Superman has no limits Kingdom Come Superman proves this. As time goes on Superman gets more powerful and as far as we know Superman is already immortal so you would be wrong and Vegeta is my favorite anime character but he can't beat Superman 😐.

If you allow use of the Dragonballs, I really don't see how anyone could beat Vegeta- I say Vegeta because he's smarter than Goku, tactically. Which means he'd probably use kryptonite on Superman.
Also, unlike Goku he'd have no moral qualms about getting Superman to do what he wanted by threatening to blow up half the planet.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
I really don't think so- I think Superman has a higher endurance than Goku or Vegeta, but that alone wouldn't be enough to beat them. Can Superman destroy planets? By the EoZ, Goku and Vegeta are far more powerful than Frieza ever was.
And if you really want broken- imagine if Vegeta wished for immortality using the Dragonballs. He would be unstoppable, and as a result of his immortality, and his Saiyan blood (making him become stronger after every fight, particularly when he recovered from severe wounds) he would eventually outstrip any opponent in terms of strength. From what I can tell, Superman doesn't have that capacity to get stronger the way that the Saiyans do, so he has limits that he can't surpass, whereas the Saiyans can always get stronger over time.

superman is stronger then them and more durable. and he has shown to have equal speed when he wants to use it. and fatser in terms of general movement.

Supes doesn't have alimit he gets more powerful every day that he lives under a yellow sun.

And thanos with the IG could strip their immortality from them. so yea lets so no artifacts for either side.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
If you allow use of the Dragonballs, I really don't see how anyone could beat Vegeta- I say Vegeta because he's smarter than Goku, tactically. Which means he'd probably use kryptonite on Superman.
Also, unlike Goku he'd have no moral qualms about getting Superman to do what he wanted by threatening to blow up half the planet.

superman would do anything for in a situation like that. he wouldn't do anything for him, he would just continue to fight him.